I wish Blizzard could just answer if we will see true ww and mw changes such as talent or mastery changes, or is it just tuning from here on out.
With the expansion incoming and the last blue post about monk changes being very vague. I know at least I would very much like to know before I commit to my guild that this will be my main.
Aaaaaand nerfed. Cool game blizz.
This is honestly ridiculous. They lied through their teeth when they told us they listened to our feedback and to expect changes and update the first week of September. It’s been two weeks now and nothing has been done with the release of the expansion on the horizon.
It’s clear monks are an after thought just from taking a look at our overall design and unimaginative covenant abilities. You can’t even consider us an after thought actually because we still haven’t received any updates.
What incentive is there to play a monk when it’s extremely obvious that they put a lot more time and effort in every other class and spec? They overhauled every other class the last few expansions and did nothing but strip monks of abilities and leave them as some sort of Frankenstein class.
Why are all our animations still outdated? Just look at SEF. Why is there no clear class identity and direction with abilities randomly assigned to us like crackling jade lightning. It’s as if the design for monks was shipped in when they put so much more time into making other new classes like death knights and demon hunters actually feel cool to play.
Why do they keep adding more summons on a class that’s based around martial arts, honor, and fighting with your fists?
Why is there no creativity when it came to do the combo system apart from a damage boost?
There are so many things they could do to make this class actually cool to play but they’ve done nothing at all.
This is an MMORPG where you’re supposed to feel immersed and invested in your character. The one thing that goes with you every expansion is your character, everything else is left behind. Why don’t they actually focus on fixing the core of these classes instead of adding in a bunch of new convoluted systems that give bandaid fixes to serious issues? Especially when these systems are tossed out in the next expansion.
Honestly, bug fixes and tuning isn’t enough. They need to completely overhaul this class but you know they won’t because of its low player base. The player base is just further proof on how much they dropped the ball.
This expansion has no new class and no new race, there is no excuse for not having put more time into designing monks this time around. I don’t want to wait another expansion hoping for an overhaul just to be disappointed yet again when they put all their effort into whatever new hero class they come up with.
blizzard lied through there teeth last week when they said big changes were coming to fix WW and MW.
it was an outright lie from them.
there is years long bugs still plaguing windwalker that still havnt been fixed. SEF is an EXTREMELY bugged awful mess blizz 100% absolutely refuses to address or fix. on the beta the spec is riddled to the core with bugs. our talent tree hasnt been touched in years with multiple dead talents on multiple rows. the entire T15 row might as well not even exist. same with T100 because WDP should of been baseline YEARS ago.
blizzard have completely ignored this class for years and there prejudice against monks is glaringly obvious at this stage. Holinka should be fired. this isnt even outrage even though it probably reads this way. this is just straight facts. every single post from WWers and MWers are basically doing blizzards jobs for them, but they have completely ignored the specs.
blizz go read the bug reports from players on the beta and in the beta forums for monks. do your jobs. then actually address the issues plaguing this class. this is a joke at this stage. and just straight up lying to your playerbase is cowardly. the ignoring the community is bad enough, but then lying on top of it makes the situation worse. dont lie to your community about big changes when none are coming. let alone bug fixes to make even the specs playable in the first place.
‘><‘ don’t touch my cord Baka!
Honestly, It seems like the monk community over-hyped ourselves for changes. IIRC, Blizzard’s wording never suggested monks were going to see major changes or an in-depth rework, only that there were going to be changes and bug fixes.
But that’s what happens when people are desperate for changes and tired of being ignored I guess 
Kind of a shame. I love healing on my MW, but I generally feel like I’m working overtime just to break even.
It just feels so silly that they keep dragging this corpse of a class along every expansion without any meaningful changes. It really does feel like they haven’t put any thought into this class at all.
If they sat down and brainstormed some changes or even looked at the suggestions that have already been given by the monk community they could have at least done something by now.
I always wanted to play a martial arts class in this game. When they announced that they were adding monks I was so excited because on paper it sounded so hard to NOT make this class awesome. Martial arts warriors that harness chi energy? How could it go wrong! Except it did and they somehow ended up with this sad excuse of a class.
We’ve got no lore development, no character representation, no nothing. They could at least make the class PLAY well but that seems to be out of the question as well.
We can’t just stop at demanding they fix all the bugs plaguing the class, we need to demand a overhaul. If we don’t, they’re going to end up giving abilities and mechanics that should have gone to us to the next class they announce, just like they did with demon hunters.
We demand an overhaul and to ACTUALLY engage with the monk community and hear us out!
I can’t speak for WW, but I doubt MW will see any overhaul (let alone a total rework) before 10.x. IIRC, Blizzard’s Legion rework was based around the idea that MoP/WoD MW was counter-intuitive for newer players, and from what I hear there was a fair amount of toxicity from top-end monk players that reinforced this.
I’ve heard the suggestion that MW should have stances re-introduced (Crane & Wise Serpent) that focus on Fistweaving and Upwelling playstyles respectively and honestly, I dig it.
We’ve got… Chen and Li Li I guess?
Honestly, I don’t expect any meaningful changes for the class at this point before release. It’s clear they left us till the last minute and then just never got around to doing anything.
That being said, we now know that we have to constantly push them to make changes otherwise we’re gonna be in this exact spot again when the next new expansion comes out.
They need to wipe the slate clean, there are so many things they could do to make this class more interesting.
Also Chen and Li-Li being our only lore figures highlights the problem as well. Lmao!
Most of the races in the game can be monks for a good reason, martial arts and harnessing chi energy are something that any race should be able to learn. There are also multiple different styles of martial arts in real life from different regions. That logic should extend to the game and the entire monk identity shouldn’t be restricted to Pandaren’s and Pandaria only.
I have Zandalari monk, and she is great! I like to experiment with Loa proccs. I heard that Akunda buff with Breaster is very interesting.
Who wants an overhaul?
Brewmaster is great in BfA, and it’s currently great in shadowlands. Mistweaver has a great kit, its strength is based on numbers. Windwalker certainly needs attention but it’s not because it’s not fun to play.
What kind of overhaul were you looking for, exactly?
Bugs should be fixed and balance should be constantly the goal, but calls to completely overhaul not just a given spec but they entire CLASS are just silly.
Yeah for the most part I don’t think any major overhaul is needed.
I enjoy the playstyle of WW, it’s mostly bugs and scaling issues that need to be fixed. Maybe more interesting talent choices.
BrM is mostly fine, though the huge nerf to the new celestial absorb felt like a kneejerk reaction; the nerf to its value would have been fine but also doubling its cooldown makes it much less fun and rotational. Hopefully the shuffle buff will be enough to at least compensate numbers-wise.
MW I think could use the most change in playstyle. Particularly the vivify cleave, there’s simply too often that your hot is on the wrong people for where you want your cleave heal going. Meanwhile the cleave heals of other classes are hitting whoever needs them. Mana costs also need to be addressed.
Legion healing they had right. Them instead of adjusting numbers they changed the style and made them awful. Vivify and you couldn’t move anymore was pathetic.
MW is said to be one of the best healers though, so I dunno what your issue is with them. MW is meta in arena right now, and said to be A-tier on the beta involving PvP. If you have a problem with it involving PvE, you should voice it and provide feedback.
It’s the opposite. We were told off rip not every class would be getting a lot of changes involving core game play. The only two specs which were told they would be getting any kind of rework was shadow and enhancement back during 8.1, which was then changed, and Shadow was then told it wouldn’t be received a rework at all. Then we got one.
I don’t even want a whole overhaul. For MW I just want the bugs to be fixed and our poor performance to be addressed. A mastery adjustment would be nice too. Maybe bug fixing will address our performance idk. For WW I think we need better dps numbers and/or maybe 1 new unique utility ability that only the ww spec has access to. BM is fine. It looks great
I want to understand why decisions were made for mistweavers.
Why did fistweaving leave? Why did the class fantasy get muddied? Why are mistweavers’ interesting and engaging skills being axed or nerfed? Why is there radio silence?
We’re devoted to our class! Let’s work together to make monks the best they can be!
Please fix monks i love them
Yeah I’d honestly just like monks to get a few patches addressing their laundry list of bugs before they even bother considering iterating on the class any further. fix what’s already here and revert SEF to it’s MoP iteration
At least I’m not this person though. Things could always be worse.
This is true. Blizzard did lie thru their teeth.
They said “look for next week’s update” as response in a thread that was about largely being ignored. YET, STILL ignored Monks lol.
*I just want to know why the Eminence Style of healing was taken away from Monks for “reasons” yet turned around and given to Disc Priest and Holy Paladins?
MW Monk is literally a melee class.
I promised myself coming back and playing this time that If I found myself in a situation where I’m fighting for a class like this that I’d just quit. Again.
Is there just not enough people to work on all the classes so Monks are left out?
I legit don’t understand…