Devs want harder content to be gated by players. That’s what made vanilla great, right?
i hear you. there’s no substitute for just diving in. you can’t really learn the dungeons without doing them and making some mistakes. i do agree that unfortunately that’s tough to do this late in the season. many of the players stuck in the lower brackets refuse to improve and blame everyone else for their mistakes. that does make it tougher to get started. you’re better off finding groups with alts of experienced players – they’re out there and usually willing to invite less experienced players
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That’s the funny thing, it should be okay to make mistakes. It’s how you learn and get better, right? I made plenty of them in solo content, including the really tough stuff like warlock green fire, mage tower and horrific visions. But I eventually conquered them and it felt great to do so. Difference was, there was no one to judge me, yell at me, or deny me future invites to that content.
Make one mistake in a Motherlode +14 though, you never hear the end of it and then your guild doesn’t invite you to anything else ever again.
M+ really is just a source of depression and anxiety for me. I’d love to be able to find an inclusive, and accepting group that could help…make it not like that, but I haven’t had any luck since coming back to the game about a month and a half ago.
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it is okay to make mistakes. but the place to make certain mistakes is not in a stranger’s +20. absolutely everyone does silly stuff sometimes. maybe you miss an interrupt, or run the wrong way and drop something in a bad place. it happens. maybe it costs the key, maybe it doesn’t, but usually (at least in higher keys) nobody gets upset.
the mistakes that do make people mad are things that you’re expected to know before you get to +15ish. pulling for the tank, not interrupting or purging, not using defensives, standing in fire, etc.
if your guild is kicking you from their key group because of a mistake in a 14… you need to find a new group to run with. if you play horde i’d be happy to run some with you and offer some pointers if that would be helpful. i’m no expert but i’ve learned a few tricks.
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Hmm
The time I used RoP for skip in 15mists without paralysing first. That was a fun double pull. Healer laughed and told me you always had to cc before pushing. It had never happened before 
The time I pulled the entire ooze pack before first boss PF on fort/necro week assuming it would die quickly and the hunter would trap/arrow. Also great.
The time I double pulled a necro/fort pack in PF because I’d been told it was a double pull the previous (easy) week.
The time I tried to big-mchuge-pull the final trash room of necrotic wake with spear and orb and only I lived (big damage tho!)
The time I bubbled the tank to reset his necrotic stacks before realising I don’t have a macro to replace the blessing with another and didn’t warn him before hand. The dps loved that one.
I’m sure there are a hundred more. And I expect if some of these players saw me again they would have no clue what I did to them last time.
Edit: I think I still timed most of these
Edit edit: only times I remember being upset recently was 1. a crappy warlock doing less dps than my under geared monk tank (160 ilvl?) would not stop triple pulling in m0 sanguine.
- The bear tank in a +8 who only cast moon fire. 0 mitigation; 0 swipes or thrashes. And the rest of the group got upset with me when I left after the 8th pull on final boss plague fall.
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The issue is that nobody has any incentive to help you. There is no margin for error.
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That’s what guilds are for, not pugs.
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My offer to this poster is still waiting for him when he is ready to start shadowlands.
There are loads of people out there who are happy to help. Most of them just prefer knowing up front (prearranged) instead of joining a +10 pug and the hunter barrages the entire corridor.
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I’m a community that would be willing to help you Alliance side. Hit me up 
(Obv its not this toon since I’m not playing it-LOL)
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I just now built up the courage to take my warlock out of 45 exp locked chromie time last night. I had accomplished a lot of what I wanted with him in the older expansions. Stuff like the Gurubashi/Darkmoon arena achievements, as well as finally snagged a TLPD, places that aren’t saturated with geared 60s. Figured it probably won’t make too much of a difference if I go back at max level to do the rest of the stuff. He is 51 now and questing through SL.
I always let people know ahead of time that I’m nervous and apologize in advance for any mistakes that are made.
Kind offer, but sadly I am Horde.
Good idea, and grats on tlpd! My wife recently made a new hunter and tamed 4 loquenohaks (or whatever the name is - some rare wotlk hunter pet) in chromie time, she was super happy.
I tend to apologise after I make the mistakes. I feel that way, the group isn’t just waiting for a mistake. Also people tend to be nicer when I admit it rather than just hide (something I learnt early in Wow raiding as a teenager) just hoping the raid leader doesn’t know who mucked up just leads to worse reactions in the end.
Oh yeah, I actually killed a couple of Loque’nahaks in CT. As well as Arcturis, Gondria, and Skoll. I felt like I could actually do so in Chromie Time and not feel bad.
I’m gonna miss it, no joke. I knew that I’d be going from being a powerful king of my own little world to basically a nobody in SL.
Running m+ just doesn’t equal the definition of ‘fun’ for absolutely huge amounts of players
So they do it casually and don’t care much what happens
It is just a game being paid to entertain us after all
Barely anyone cares about entertaining you or making your grind optimal. You generate zero dopamine for their time.
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I knew without even looking at this post the OP was alliance and the first comment was horde.
I just know from experience.
Alliance complains and hordes either has to one up that complaint or discredit it. I feel so old now. This game… did the “co lead” really just stream himself boosting people saturday? that’s what we’ve become? watching the new guy boost on his day off? What a joke.
that’s fine. But if that’s your definition. Feel free to ruin your own key to do that. Joining in to other players key and saying “I don’t care if I we don’t time this” is disrespectful for the person’s key. Personally if I join a key my main goal is to time because it’s the respectful thing to do for the person who is putting up there key until it’s a weekly no-leaver run. Same time doesn’t mean it’s ok to be 1hr+ in a key that only last 30-40mins
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Oh they care a little bit buddy, just not enough to let it impact their mood/day/run etc
dont worry I care enough to decline you as well so you can complain here in the forum that you’re not getting accepted
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Well you could look at it this way, we have probably 6 months to get KSM now 
If I get it that would be nice but I’m not holding my breath. The myself and the people I’ve been running keys with lately just started into 15s. So hopefully we’ll get it at some point.
I feel ya. I was in the same boat 9 or so months ago.
What you need to do, and I mean NEED, is start identifying people around you who are playing relatively well. Add them as friends, create a discord or other platform group with them. Express your specific goals and invite those people who play better to join you in achieving those goals. Many won’t join but some will.
On top of that try to play tank or healer roles for the time being. There are less people in those roles. Every time you pug and someone does well, take time to reach out and talk to them try to add them on battle tag.
Eventually you will build up a group of people around you interested in doing keys, who are also effective at performing in keys.
I say this cause it’s literally what I had to do, and what I did. I was in a social guild of players o knew for a long time, but most weren’t capable or interested in doing higher keys. We barely did 7-9’s. I started my own discord channel and invited all the best players from my guild that I thought might be interested. Around 9 people joined initially, I started healing cause no one else wanted to. Eventually from that a group of 5-7 of us pushed keys up to 14-15, and I had begun shifting over to dps because I performed better there and others wanted to try healing. Eventually I was invited to another guild with players pushing up to 18-19. I was invited into a core group and cleared all 15’s on week one of 9.1, had KSM week two. Completed my first 20 a month or so later.
Social networking isn’t always easy. But if you try and rely on others to network for you, most of the time you will be disappointed in the end. Most of the time you will watch others pushing keys and wish you could join. You cannot choose who will want to play with you, but you can choose to invite people to play with you.
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Out of 25 completed….at least a dozen didn’t complete at all
Lmao what
Assuming you’re alliance, I can help you with KSM this weekend if you’re around. I’ve got mine as a tank so should be able to get groups easy. Currently at 249 ilvl.
I’m looking to get valor and gear for an off-spec so it’s a win-win!
Let me know if you’d like a hand.
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