PSA: Screenshot Covenant Griefers in Pugs

BuT guYS iF yOu Don’T interruPT oR Move oUt of the FIRe The covEnant won’T mATTer.

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Your PSA has only highlighted the issue with Covenants that has been talked about since the Alpha.

The funny part is that you wouldn’t have to worry about mechanics so hard if the boss isn’t alive for 20 minutes.

Sure but you have no way of gauging whether or not two candidates have that equivalent level of skill.

I understand the rationale, I just find it flawed to the point of being unreliable. This level of comparison requires way too much assumption of information you just don’t have about the players when comparing them.

This is still presuming equivalent skill and there’s no way to know that.

My argument is that the covenant choice is not a reliable indicator of player skill or knowledge.

I’m not making the case that two players of equivalent skill but different covenants have equivalent outcomes, but that the idea the two random hunters in the same group finder queue are equivalent in ability is not something you can determine. There’s no way to know that, it’s not a reasonable conclusion to make.

All things equal in a perfect environment you can make these presumptions. It seems an incredibly large ask that two random candidates represent that, and so the presumptions are flawed.

There’s something to be gained from an opportunity cost. What do I gain from choosing to be worse at my job than another hunter who didn’t?

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you can make your groups however you like for whatever reasons you like, doesnt mean you are right.

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Which job?

Weren’t you complaining about players being snarky earlier?

Doing as much damage as possible.

And that’s irrelevant to the conversation. We can even go down to their talent choices as well. If someone just closes their eyes and ears and ignores all of the guides and picks all of their talents based on what they like and most of them are wrong, then they’re going to be heavily outperformed by other players who put in the correct talents.

Step 1 is what you choose and how you prep before the raid. Step 2 is how you perform during the encounters. And even at the best Necrolord is being outshined heavily. Venthyr is even worse!!! Not a single player as Venthyr has downed the last 3 bosses of the fight!

It just keeps getting better and better!

I found it funny people were attacking me for failing to time my +7 key in a newb guild group. But I find it even more funny you keep using the excuse that if players are bad they’ll do worse. Like again, duh.

In which setting?

How?

Are you making the case that a bad player with the ‘correct’ build is better than a good player with any other build?

Oh snap, I didnt see they had added sort by covenants. That is actually pretty useful.

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The question goes like this. Why would a “good player” run a bad build and then have the goal to clear the raid?

I don’t know what you mean by a ‘bad’ build.

Like wrong talents, wrong Covenant, wrong Conduits.

One that does significantly less than the good builds in terms of performance.

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In any setting? My job is to do as much damage as I can and choosing to do less damage means choosing to be worse at my job.

This doesn’t make sense to me. If the objective is to clear the raid, it doesn’t seem reasonable that there are any builds that actively prevent it.

PvP? PVE? Mythics? Raids?

coughs up drink

Wh…Are you serious???

For kyrian, all of the above. For night fae, all of the above minus PvP. Jalen would know more about PvP specific hunter questions though.