well, I have 100 in both my professions making hundreds of k worth of gold casually. I dunno, good luck I guess
That, once again, ignores everything that was said as a rebuttal to you. You are just here to shill, I guess. I frankly do not believe you are capable of understanding how much better life is on Zulâjin, or Area52, or Illidan. Youâre just trying to protect your early market profits from the rest of us. You canât imagine a world in which your success has any factor beyond your own choices. Itâs a stark display of the problems of privilege and how blind it makes a person to reality.
Youâre telling us the system is fine because youâre on top of the system.
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Iâve offered how to be more successful. Youâve only offered how im wrong despite it working for me. Engage in the system, interact with other humans.
There are huge problems with the system, but it is workable right now.
I can âengage in a multiplayer systemâ, but it doesnât help much if Iâm not competitive. I can spam /trade for hours, but why would anybody hand me a bundle of expensive reagents only to get rank 2 (maaaaaybe 3 if very lucky) back, if they can easily find a crafter who can guarantee a 4 with a good chance at a 5 instead? And thatâs just private orders. Public orders are a complete mess. I wouldnât touch one for anything that has a quality ranking, as a customer or as a crafter.
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I have explained how and why you are wrong. Your solution of âinteract with other peopleâ is not valid when there are not enough people. Your success path is not possible on our servers.
You have not offered how you became more successful. You have offered no usable solution.
I would love to engage with other players in the crafting system. How do I make those players exist on my server? How do I do the thing you keep implying everyone can do? How do we get players to engage in trade chat, respond to tells, or use the work order system when the players do not exist? How do we get those players?
How did you do it? Since our situations are the same, how did you increase the population of your server? Iâll do that.
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This is the first thing in this thread I do agree with. For the rest I agree with Vile that your experience on a mega server is blinding you to the reality of smaller servers/factions. Remember that if your on the smaller faction you canât advertise in trade chat to most of your potential customers because of the faction wall blizzard has stubbornly left in.
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Too little, too late. And still too slow.
Iâll be up into the 400s for ilvl before that happens.
Garbage system is garbage.
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418 is upper mythic. If you cant find a use for one of those items, sounds like waiting a bit wouldnt matter anyway.
You do not need max profession skill to make those items. The only thing is the profession level will not be maxed as quickly as someone who has clientele using sparks.
Once again, youâre not responding to the point made, youâre responding to an imaginary point.
Youâre not discussing in good faith. Youâre just desperately trying to be ârightâ to defend your privilege. Itâs pretty blatantly obvious at this point.
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You just dont like the answer of you may have to wait if you interact with less people. You can level professions with alts or by yourself, and pretending literally no people on your server exists is nonsense.
The person I responded to explicitly mentioned ilvl and it not mattering by the time they got enough resources. The âpointâ I made was directly in response to that.
The server populations arenât going to go UP at this point. You donât like the very simple facts that destroy your argument.
If there arenât enough people to interact with now, there wonât be MORE in the future, even with more sparks.
We want to interact with other people in this MMO. We are trying to do so. The people arenât using the system in large enough numbers to make the system function on smaller servers.
And âinteract with more peopleâ, even if it were possible, doesnât solve the issue that players do not need the lower ilvl gear in the volume required to make this system work. If you canât already craft the high end gear, there isnât going to be anyone looking for the lower end. They arenât going to spend sparks just cus they have them if there isnât an upgrade.
But you know this. Youâre just ignoring it. You only had a different experience because you are on Zulâjin.
Stop acting like we donât want to interact with other players. Those players donât exist. We canât. The problem is we want to and canât.
âI canât breathâ is the problem, âBreath moreâ is your solution. This is literally âlet them eat cake.â levels of privilege. You should be in politics.
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You do not need other people, its just slower.
Those are so many words you wrote to ignore that fact. People arent using public orders on my server either. Its not what im talking about or suggesting you use.
Iâm talking about trade chat, shouts, and tells too. Not just public orders.
The people arenât there to interact with. The demand is not there. Without them itâs not just slower, its onerous.
Youâve got two points, both contradictory, and you just keep offering them in alternating order regardless of what someone says. Youâre not discussing in good faith. Youâre trying to protect your belief that youâre smart and everyone else is dumb.
Youâre not even hiding it well.
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You are the only one who has said âsmartâ or âdumbâ. I have offered suggestions that are working for me that I believe are server agnostic. You are also ignoring the other person who was in the conversation who said they didnt want to use trade chat or spam for crafts, which one of my points is countering.
I am being successful. I hope you try what im doing and find success. Dont really know what else to tell you since you are taking this so personally and trying to comment on my character.
No, youâre not doing that. Youâre trying to cherry pick to defend your ego. Just because you believe your advice is server agnostic, that doesnât make it true. It very obviously isnât.
If you were trying to offer actual advice, you wouldnât still be here trying to convince us that we could just pull ourselves up by our boot straps. You would adapt your advice based on the responses given.
I wonder what sentence fragment youâre gonna pull from this post to generate your auto-response while ignoring everything else. I think Iâll start doing the same thing to you from here on out. That sounds like fun to me.
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If you spent nearly the effort trying to make this personal you could have read some posts on r/woweconomy and solved your own problems. Youre acting like this is some kind of class divide when its there is a clear difference between people who want to engage with the system (the guy who said they didnt want to use trade chat), and you, who think low pop servers offer nothing and youre unable to use the system.
You wrote 3 paragraphs to say you think im trying to stroke my own ego while suggesting things like use alts, or talk to people. You can circle around in this by yourself.
Im going to go make another set of Amice of the Blue for guildies, something they know I can craft because I told them.
So did you. Counting is fun!
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Thatâs impressive. Iâve lost about $500k in the DM trinket market and alchemy. Admittedly, I didnât research much and talented into what looked fun. It seems like maxing inspiration and counting on high level procs to make an overall profit is the game but I am taking a break to regroup.
The entirety of my profits are profession tools.
So one time crafts per toon that absolutely depends on a large customer base. Once again you donât understand the issue of players on small servers where the first mover can easily hoover up 50+% of the total market.
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