Those are the exact type of people were talking about here. I remember in shadowlands they would que an absurd amount of rated bgs just to scratch 1800 and get the gear so they could then take it into randoms lmao
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Not saying that anyone in this thread are this way, since a lot of really chill people on both sides of the argument are present here. But I personally know people who Iâve played with for years that will not play a game unless they can reign supreme over everyone else, either through P2W mechanics, sheer numbers, or huge headstarts.
I love a good, close game. But Iâve found that most people arenât having fun unless they are completely destroying their enemies.
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Someone new to the game is going to get rolled by more experienced players regardless of if they are fighting a dominant preform or not and sometimes those new players are on the same side as the dominant preform.
It seems like people think there are a lot of full ten man preforms or something. There arenât.
Nobody is saying you shouldnât be able to play with friends people are telling them to get out of the casual bracket and go play rated or m+ but then we are back to the real reason which is that they want to run over people without any challenge and the even harsher reality which is they cannot cut it in even solo shuffle
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This is true. Normalization of gear has helped a lot but there are still a lot of lopsided matches but these are mainly due to one side having too many fresh 70s in starter gear or too many inexperienced players on one side. The games are quite unforgiving when there is a mismatch on gear and/or experience and that does seem to be most matches at the moment.
Itâs far better than SL, but still not âquite there.â Sadly, I donât think itâs a problem that can be easily fixed.
In addition, another huge separator for DF are the talent trees. An inexperienced player who doesnât take the game as seriously as the experienced players who do a lot of preforms are also going to be running talent builds that put them at a significant disadvantage over those who are slaves to the meta.
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What happended with normal gear is what I said would happen lol I remember I qued into like 9 ele shamans in 1 bgđ Nice
The usual suspects. Their name rhymes with pooing. None of the other communities have monetized it as far as I know. Itâs been suggested we do it, I decline every time itâs suggested. We play for fun.
You mean people are spending money on bg wins? lmao.
If they can pull that off thats even better than starbucks that spends like a total of 5 cents on the coffee and cup and then charges you 5$ for it.
except not really cause there wont be as many customers
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Read the EU forum link.
Except winning Bgs is not really a advantage you are paying for 1k honor and 20 conquest
Once I have my tier set Iâll be pretty much full geared and I didnât spend a red cent
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Only thing that might be happening is boosting communities selling bg achievements for metas, like 100 wins or flag returns or special win conditions. No shot someone is buying a spot on a premade to stomp random bgs for no other reason
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I envy your innocence. 
What do you think those long drawn out Epics are doing it for? HKs?, Honor levels? etc. One example.
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On the flip side how would anyone even know if they were playing against a countdown queue team of 10 in a 10 player Battleground?
You were adamant that even a 5 is hard to spot.
The only pvp achieves i have left to do are half the rated bgs ones 2 arena ones and the rest are world
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They are if the only thing youâre looking at is âomg two people from the same server rotated a defensive because theyâre not badâ
Which is what the people in this thread are saying is indicative of a premade
The point I have made is that there is no real way of confirming if a countdown team is in play. Without discord/community/bnet/stream information being provided.
Facts right there, and they fit with your theory that players may or may not know.
Different realms, guilds etc. all fit perfectly into this advantage.
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I donât play epics and truthfully donât care if the bracket is ruined by 250k hk farmers because of cringe communities breaking blizz restrictions by queueing multiple groups
you cannot identify premades only based on their server in 10mans
Premades exist, of all sorts and all experience, and server and basic pvp skills are not the identifier
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Yeah, so those could be wrong. Everybody isnât always wrong.
Can you make a similar list, that is 100% correct?
Burden of proof is on the ones making claims that everyone pressing defensives and playing on the only populated servers left in WoW are a premade
âTheyâre on the same serverâ is not it
Best way to know specific players are playing together is to see them together recurrently and in the same bgs multiple times or if they outright say it