POTENTIAL SPOILERS: 4 new Allied Race IDs datamined

[Nìkto-zuljin (Nìkto)]

No denying that.

[Vaelian-silver-hand (Vaelian)]

@Kalzhun-thrall

They use the Vrykul female skeleton, never before used on a player character

Female orcs don’t count?
The orc rigs were modified to produce both Vrykul rigs, this is why the males suffer from the same stupid head/neck placement.
Really hoping if they were to be made playable that they’d be changed to the updated upright orc/kultiran rig to fix the bad posture.
Kultirans do use a modified Vrykul rig.

@Zael-runetotem

Broken don’t fit the player model, so they are out.

In Legion the Broken on Argus were updated to use the draenei rig which makes a lot of sense. They just need to make a female model. I’d like to see the same done for the Mok’nathal, the male model was updated to use the Kultiran rig which is descended from the Orc/Vrykul rig, make a nice female model and add both as some sort of “Survivors of Broken Worlds” allied race patch.
I think a lot of the reason we got the upright orc posture for males was due to the work done for the Kultiran/Mok’nathal.

@Exacitor-wyrmrest-accord

(Query): The last time I visited Silvermoon, there were many statues in the city of an elf like Kael’thas. Did I misinterpret that as statues of Kael’thas? Were they actually another Blood Mage? Eldin Sunstrider, perhaps?

I would guess Dath’Remar Sunstrider as he was the leader when they founded Silvermoon also a ancestor/relative of Kael’thas.

[Kalzhun-thrall]

@Vaelian-silver-hand

The orc rigs were modified to produce both Vrykul rigs, this is why the males suffer from the same stupid head/neck placement.

No. They really weren’t. They’re separate and unique skeletons.

@Vaelian-silver-hand

Kultirans do use a modified Vrykul rig.

That is false. Kul Tirans use a brand-new rig.

[Vaelian-silver-hand (Vaelian)]

Might wanna take another look on that.
There’s a definite line of progression from orc to vrykul to kultiran. It’s much more noticeable in the females are there were less changes in the stance and such.
There has been a fair bit of modifying between each one though.

[Annaillusion-moon-guard]

I’d trade fauns for vampires in a second. Plus, why would fauns join the horde…? We literally just burned the world tree. That and they’ll likely have the same animations as draenei, no thank you.

[Kalzhun-thrall]

@Vaelian-silver-hand

There’s a definite line of progression from orc to vrykul to kultiran. It’s much more noticeable in the females are there were less changes in the stance and such.

Do you have anything to back this up? Because you’re just basing this off of what you think based off of appearance and not what is.

Because, based off of your logic, if hunch = Orc, then Trolls are based off of the Orc Skeleton.

[Averyx-quelthalas (Averyx)]

@Annaillusion-moon-guard

I’d trade fauns for vampires in a second. Plus, why would fauns join the horde…? We literally just burned the world tree. That and they’ll likely have the same animations as draenei, no thank you.

Even with the fugly faces of the venthyr?

Also, there’s some spoilers in my next post if you want to think of reasons for these races to go this way.

[Vaelian-silver-hand (Vaelian)]

Go compare the models. It’s pretty obvious.
Starting from scratch when they can take an existing finished rig and modify it quite a bit saves a considerable about of time and money.
They did the very same for the Zandalari.
Mok’nathal uses the same rig as Kultiran and the upright orc looks like they took the idle stance and mirrored it to fit the orc.

If you don’t think so, that’s cool.
It’s just pretty obvious and makes a lot of sense production-wise. You’re gonna save costs where you can. Modifying an existing rig to save a whole lot of time saves money.

[Annaillusion-moon-guard]

@Averyx-quelthalas

Even with the fugly faces of the venthyr?

I really hope they change that, it looks absolutely goofy

@Averyx-quelthalas

Also, there’s some spoilers in my next post if you want to think of reasons for these races to go this way.

I lurve spoilers.

[Averyx-quelthalas (Averyx)]

@Annaillusion-moon-guard

I lurve spoilers.

So SPOILERS!

• Night fae going horde makes sense with the new info that Bwomsandi’s boss is the winter Queen. With Tyrande’s incursion to the zone probably failing (again) and blizz general hatred for nelves and their insistence of giving their stuff to the horde. It 100% makes sense that they would give now their aesthetic to the horde in the form of faun stuff.

@Annaillusion-moon-guard

I really hope they change that, it looks absolutely goofy

Yeah, it’s ridiculously ugly even for ugly creatures in fantasy standards.

[Genegerbread-dalaran (Genegerbread)]

@Leinadh-stormrage

Allied race 17: Fauns (zandalari crest id, potentially horde) (internal name for Night Fae)

What did Tyrande do to piss off the Night Fae, I wonder?

[Sathaenash-black-dragonflight]

I would love a dark race in the alliance!!!

[Kalzhun-thrall]

@Vaelian-silver-hand

Go compare the models. It’s pretty obvious.

I have compared models. None of their animations are even remotely similar.

So you have just confirmed my suspicion, which is that you’re making all of this up. You saw Vrykul’s hunch and said: “Orc.”

@Vaelian-silver-hand

They did the very same for the Zandalari.

Yes, I know.

@Vaelian-silver-hand

Mok’nathal uses the same rig as Kultiran

Rexxar you mean, but yes.

@Vaelian-silver-hand

the upright orc looks like they took the idle stance and mirrored it to fit the orc.

That’s not true. Yes, their position looks similar, but it’s not the same. For instance, the arms are at a different position, and the feet are facing the wrong way.

Even if it was, it wouldn’t be the same skeleton.

@Vaelian-silver-hand

If you don’t think so, that’s cool.
It’s just pretty obvious

It’s not obvious at all. The only similarity is old orcs had their backs bent over.

If you go and look at Wowhead’s modelviewer you’ll realize this.

[Kaladarra-area-52]

Id love to see any of the races show up however we cant really tell if this will happen since the race ID is different from the Male and Female IDs. Race ID for example claims that Vrykyl will be playable and the same ID just for the male/female claims a different race. Id love to see Vrykul, Kyrian and such get added

[Ashfeet-moon-guard (Ashfeet)]

Kul tirans have a whole new rig and model. Blizzard said so themselves which is why they took so long time to finish. So far they are the only AR that got a whole new rig.
I’ve also looked quite a bit at the models and seen nothing that contradict this in my opinion.
They are as far from the orc rig as the orc rig are from the pandaren rig.
You’re right that Rexxar use the kul tiran rig though.

Making a new playable race from scratch is one of the most time-consuming parts of an expansion’s development, and as a result most allied races are variants of existing races. Kul Tirans are an exception to this norm, as they have a completely unique model with a new animation rig. In terms of art resources, this made them just as costly to create as, for example, the pandaren in Mists of Pandaria and more time-consuming than every other allied race combined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvG7VKwJb20&t=2m10s

[Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord]

@Sathaenash-black-dragonflight

I would love a dark race in the alliance!!!

you use void magic to corrupt creatures. Your race is quite dark void elf.

[Lunalie-wyrmrest-accord]

@Averyx-quelthalas

ith Tyrande’s incursion to the zone probably failing (again) and blizz general hatred for nelves and their insistence of giving their stuff to the horde. It 100% makes sense that they would give now their aesthetic to the horde in the form of faun stuff.

Look, I get being a bit jaded as an alliance main, however stating they’re going to go horde just because blizzard hates alliance/night elves is both really annoying and discounting the main reason why they would likely go alliance over horde.

[Averyx-quelthalas (Averyx)]

@Lunalie-wyrmrest-accord

Look, I get being a bit jaded as an alliance main, however stating they’re going to go horde just because blizzard hates alliance/night elves is both really annoying and discounting the main reason why they would likely go alliance over horde.

That’s just an opinion on why it makes sense and it’s validated by the way night elf culture has been treated through the years since cataclysm. Not a reason why it will happen.

And of course it discounts the “main reason why they would go alliance”. If the main reason is that they have nelf aesthetic then it’s clear that is just meaningless considering current blizzard handling of nelves.

[Lunalie-wyrmrest-accord]

@Averyx-quelthalas

That’s just an opinion on why it makes sense and it’s validated by the way night elf culture has been treated through the years since cataclysm. Not a reason why it will happen.

I’m not saying its 100% going to happen, I’m only saying why it’s likely. All we know is what’s datamined and that’s not even guaranteed to show up in game.

Still waiting to see Wratheon in Highmountain…

@Averyx-quelthalas

And of course it discounts the “main reason why they would go alliance”. If the main reason is that they have nelf aesthetic then it’s clear that is just meaningless considering current blizzard handling of nelves.

Maybe I’m alone in this, but I feel like we should probably wait a while longer before giving blizzard crap about their handling of the Night elf story considering there’s clearly going to be more of it in shadowlands. Perhaps they do a pretty decent job.

Imo they’ve proven they can do bitter stories rather well with Jaina’s in BfA’s first patch.

[Averyx-quelthalas (Averyx)]

@Lunalie-wyrmrest-accord

I’m not saying its 100% going to happen, I’m only saying why it’s likely. All we know is what’s datamined and that’s not even guaranteed to show up in game.

Still waiting to see Wratheon in Highmountain…

Sure and that’s the thing if the reason “why it’s likely” is based on the aesthetics of the race, why can’t I make a counter argument in that basis too?

@Lunalie-wyrmrest-accord

Maybe I’m alone in this, but I feel like we should probably wait a while longer before giving blizzard crap about their handling of the Night elf story considering there’s clearly going to be more of it in shadowlands. Perhaps they do a pretty decent job.

Imo they’ve proven they can do bitter stories rather well with Jaina’s in BfA’s first patch.

IDK, if they had shown they could handle night elf lore for the past 10 years at all, I’d be willing to give them a chance but given the horrible job they have done to the point it feels like they genuinely hate the race, including BFA which by all means should’ve been a big deal for elves, I won’t give them any benefit of the doubt. If at the end they end up doing something good that might be a surprise rather than something I expect.