You are not answering the question. You never do. Just like the one currently writing a novel as we speak ![]()
Answer the question Silent. When in history has segregating a community ever been healthy for the overall community at large?
You are not answering the question. You never do. Just like the one currently writing a novel as we speak ![]()
Answer the question Silent. When in history has segregating a community ever been healthy for the overall community at large?
Ah, here comes the ad hominem attacks. Can’t argue the issue, resort to character attacks.
That doesn’t seem right. If they are removing it on p2, then they would also have that ability on p1. (unless they aren’t really removing it on p2)
Thread is played out. They do not want to discuss, they only want to scream into the wind.
And Silent, I do not argue against people who are against layering. I argue against people who believe they speak for a broader community and use attacks and fear-mongering to justify their behavior.
If you wish to talk, I am here. But you will not answer a direct question because you know you can’t support your point.
Well, with the current approach, that would be all or nothing. They let layering stay the way they proposed it would, until they take it out completely at P2.
The “all or nothing” was meant in context of Staysafe suggesting to Blizzard that they should try to modify layering to work in the way the OP suggests. But they apparently can’t modify it in that way (if it’s true what he’s saying), and have to stick to how layering works in it’s current form, or not use it at all.
I wouldn’t go throwing around those “everyone” statements. There is a vocal segment of pedantic “supposed purists” who can’t even keep straight was Vanilla was.
No. Nope. No thanks.
The purpose of layering is to deliver a 3k world a 9k realm. It is not to deliver a 1k world on a 9k realm, or deliver a 5k world on a 9k realm. It is not to fix congestion on a Vanilla scale realm.
The only congestion layering fixes is a) queues multiple times the size of the realm, and b) the imagined congestion of a 9k world.
This is not authentic in the slightest.
At 30-40, on a 3k realm there would be on average X players in the first few days. On a 9k realm, there will be X * 3 players. By removing layers, you are diminishing the advantages those players get by getting ahead of the pack. You are forcing them into the 9k world experience by removing the resources while keeping the population high.
This is the point of layering. There is no difference between 1 layer an 1 3k realm. We need to focus on making layer hopping non-profitable, but other than that, Layering is more authentic than any other population control mechanism, including your sharding proposal.
Ah, so they would have to have a “dedicated” server to do it? No wonder they would be force feeding it to us if sharding, in some form, is their only option, but that is hear-say (what staysafe said) so it is hard to tell.
OP recommended sharding… which they could do but then you would have all the problems of sharding… namely people jumping in and out of shards as you run around, seeing different people in your starting zone and the first town… etc
You don’t even hear that. The majority of individuals are either in favour of layering or don’t mind it if it gets them into the game. A loud minority of repeat posters keep shouting doom and gloom, and an even smaller number of those of us who are accepting of Layering as a necessary evil, are shouting back.
People don’t raise their voice when they know they’re getting what they want. All they have to do is wait. Those of us who are pointing out the disasters inherent in non-layering and “alternatives to layering” are simply ensuring that the echo chamber bubble is burst as soon as it can be.
That is one option. they could also be here trolling, getting their +1, easing others into the idea of sharding and layering, or some other agendas which you conveniently omitted.
Does your tinfoil hat pick up satellite? or just regular channels?
Much like your refusal to answer a direct question asked of you 2 times. Here is third
Name a time in history when segregating a community has ever been healthy for the WHOLE community in the end.
Third-time bro. You want to argue that you are using debate tactics, then man up and let’s talk.
Except it’s not the majority.
What you are describing is sharding, which is arguably more disruptive to the experience than layering.
I’ll leave this here. If this is how it is at all in classic it will drive me insane.
I think, since I have 0 knowledge to the technical side of how the layering was developed, we can’t say for sure how the tech can or cannot work in terms of staggering. It’s not a bad idea I just don’t know if it’s technically possible.
I’m opposed to any type of sharding cross server that involves open world/dungeon content as it will have an effect on the server community.
You have graduated to my ignore list, grats!
And he still won’t answer the question.
Are we surprised? No.
They do not want to talk. They only want to complain.
I will say this. To the OP, unless you are trolling which I haven’t ruled out yet, at least you are trying to find an alternative and were at least from all sounds of it a decent person in your post. So props for that. But as others have said your proposal is basically sharding which is worse than layering.
If it is true and layering is “all or none” i.e. it’s either there or it’s not, Blizzard is going to keep it simply because it’s the most cost effective way right now for them to manage the population. All of you doom and gloomers who say “Blizz won’t remove it” or whatever the popular conspiracy theory of the day is need to understand something. Layering is just a means for them to manage the population until they are sure about what the population is going to be several months down the road. Why on earth would they invest in getting 50 servers set up or so to account for the launch pop when 2 months down the road there is realistically only going to be a need for 20-30 servers (I’m using easy numbers here so don’t get on the whole "you don’t know that schpiel) 2 months down the road and Blizzard has 20-30 worthless servers out there? When all they have to do is install this new tech for a few months and then down the road if the pop doesn’t drop off the way they think THEN they can invest in more servers and do free server transfers and layering still comes off.
TLDR: Layering WILL be removed. Blizzard has already said this and I’m not sure why on earth you tinfoil hatters can’t get that through your head (probably because of the aforementioned tinfoil hats).