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Why threaten a character with death and then act like they are doing us a favor by letting her live?
Tyrande got the power up to take vengeance for her people that got genocided for a Horde and Sylvanas storyline.
Then for the Sylvanas storyline the vengeance had to be dropped for a renewal. Because vengeance baaaaad… only for certain characters though obviously.
And this renewal will cost Malfurion’s death in addition to the dropped vengeance and genocide prices.
This is just one L after another L for Night Elves. Its a tragedy p**n at this point.
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I mean she was still able to face Sylvanas who was empowered by a being even stronger than Elune whitout having to face the consequence of having that power but yeah lets pretend that this is noting.
Let also pretend that the genocide was a ‘horde’ story. You the the story were the horde lost Saurfang, Sylvanas, Nathanos, Undercity and got a whole campaign story undo 100% undo by the alliance. Such a great horde story, horde player are so lucky to lose all that just to kill night elf npc that we didn’ care about… Oh but its true, since we horde player personally chose to destroy undercity we can’t complain about any of this…
I mean if killing your enemy, and in your case we already know that it apply to even the innocent enemy, is more important than saving you own people from hell or caring about your remaining people, than you might be the problem here…
I don’t see what this have to do with renewal but at least your are getting a character that is considered as a night elf character by everyone but you.
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There is so many thing to complain about with this spoiler that going out of her way to claim that alliance leader add it worse than horde leader is just ugh…
I mean this whole thing is useless. Ysera didn’t need to come back. Her end was a great and sad moment that will now appear less tragic. And while i do think that the alliance have too many overpower leader and that some of them should died, the human still have some of them that could go before and they could have wait after giving the night elf a city back before killing Malfurion or even sacrificed him to give them a new city…
I just hate that he is lost of a character that had a great a finished story.
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I know and it was really unnecessary. It’s nonsense like that that keeps the rift open between players of both factions. It’s almost like some people don’t actually want that rift to heal and antagonize people on purpose. 
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Oh it is still absolutely nothing.
You are arbitarily raising power levels, one character has a draw back that it would kill them and the other has no such restriction.
Then we are supposed to take merely surviving the encountet as something to feel good about.
It was a horde story.
The entire war campaign and BFA conflict was about Saurfang and the identity crisis of the Horde. The Alliance and the Nigh Elves were just the B story arc until we got to Nzoth.
There are a few words here that I want to express but will get me banned.
But just know I want to tell you to be quiet and I am exhasperated that every time these topics come up people come over here and start telling people they had it worse or somehow they have great.
Stop it. This is such a childish take. This isn’t about you, nobody is commenting on you or trying to make you have a worse experience. Holy christ why does it come to this everytime?
I didn’t even say what you got is good! I just said that the NEs died so we could tell a story about Sylvanas, Saurfang and the Horde. Thats all. Was it garbage? Yes. Was it about them? Also yes.
NEs are getting shafted here, they are not getting a story that is good after being punished for multiple expansions.
And you know what is worse??? This crap story will continue because you know this will mean Malfurion from the dead will show up eventually for the next story they want to hype.
You know what that means right? More story that NE fans will hate and NE story that will take the spotlight from other races and other characters.
Again you (the writer) are putting these arbitary lines in the sand that this power will kill you.
You can’t have vengeance and rebuild at the same time.
You are adding these conditions and prices in and even after asking for good faith and all this “sacrifice” is worth it at the end you still go ahead and ask for more.
Its sadistic and it does nothing but kick people that are already down.
If you don’t know what this has to do with renewal clearly you have not read the datamined story and the SL finale correctly.
If Malfurion is dying to give Ysera a blue Lordaeron icon with the rest of the green dragon flight? Guess we are even then but making a Dragonflight fully faction aligned to one side is a bad idea.
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Bold thing to say when it’s literally impossible to read through a thread without eventually stumbling upon a NE poster complaining about how the entire universe wishes to see the Kaldorei suffer.
Everybody agreed that this Malfurion thing is beyond stupid. Once that was said, the thread naturally derailed, as all threads do here. Stop crying.
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Isn’t it usually the same nonsense though?
We alliance players are allowed to complain….but horde players? Holy hell, just stop talking already
To say it’s irritating is a understatement. Everyone just agreed that the whole Malfurion thing was wack, but than we got the horde meme and this other nonsense.
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At the same time Horde actually wins battles under their own power, even if most of the time it is by writer fiat, so take your pick. If Alliance loses all its demigod characters, that’s fine. Now, which area of the map are you willing to have the Alliance bomb out and occupy for the rest of the game’s life?
Alliance needs demigod characters because it has literally nothing else, and most of the time those demigod characters don’t even get used, or have some other type of writer fiat disabling them if it isn’t convenient for the story Blizz wants to tell.
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Thats a whataboutism argument if I ever see one.
Thats toxic behavior and if you want to be toxic about it then go for it. But call it what it is.
I probably participated in it in my fair share if time when I was heated about these topics. I assume that guilt but it doesnt mean I was correct to act that way.
Oups responded to the wrong person.
@kohnila this was for you.
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What ? The Horde never wins. In BfA, the Horde won WotT (through maximum treachery and war crimes), while the Alliance won Battle for Lordaeron, Battle of Dazar’alor, Battle for Darkshore, Battle for Stromgarde and the overall Fourth War.
I don’t want anyone to lose characters ; them losing their demigod powers would be just fine.
Flat-out lie :
Yes, for obvious reasons :
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He is referencing Alliance locations that the Horde bombs out of existence and the super gods fail to stop every time.
Disregard the reply. It wasn’t meant for you. But you didn’t get the point anyway so don’t worry about it.
Noted and discarded. I’ll delete my reply than. And you didn’t make a point as usual.
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You are just being blind about the Sylvanas story line… Sylvanas ridiculous power up started as earlier as BFa cinematic when she turned into a banshee and only got stronger since than. All that took sense once we realise that she was empowered by the Jailor. You the the guy that was at that moment the strongest character and that got a insane amount of power thank to all the stolen soul???
Why should Tyrande have the same access to that kind of power when she took her power from someone wayyyyyyyyyyy weaker at that moment… Jailor with million soul of shadowland is way stronger than normal Elune so it just make sense that Tyrande had a payback to have access to that much power while the Jailor can easily give it to Sylvanas…
Put of course you just want to favourite character to be the best one…
There is just so much hypocrisy about telling people to shut up and stop saying that they are the victim only to start saying that you are the victim…
I don’t care about being ban since i am not even subscribe since last january and i don’t even know why i can post right now so let me just tell you how stupid is that post… You can’t just say to people to stop acting like a victim just before… well playing the victim…
Killing more of your people just to satisfy your own ego just make you a awefull person…
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Come on. That “who’s the strongest, who gets the worst treatment” thing started because you said the Alliance should get an entire Dragonflight to make up for the loss of Malfurion. To which I merely responded that you guys were overpowered enough.
I’m not interested in being toxic in the slightest. I like WoW lore and I like talking about it in a genuine way.
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So, how’s your day Koh? Lets not let smalllz derail another thread with his nonsense and non points.
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Sylvanas was the one who blew up the city, after Jaina’s arrival where she literally just handwaves everything away. Prior to that the Horde fought the Alliance to a standstill. Anduin was ready to quit the field prior to Jaina’s appearance.
Did the Horde not repel the Alliance after Rastakhan’s death? Talanji took the throne after that and put her people squarely in the Horde. What was the victory condition there, what did it accomplish?
Confirmed in tweets, has no impact on gameplay however.
Due to Horde infighting, as always. It is always framed that the Horde could beat the Alliance, but not the other way around. The Alliance needs the Horde to infight.
And besides that, the Alliance have to be the victors because they will actually be able to keep both factions. If the Horde won, there would be no such mercy.
Which is even more contrived than them just dying. I’m fine with the demigod characters dying, if it means the Alliance actually just beats the Horde without the use of super powerful characters like Jaina sometimes.
I’d rather there not be any faction wars at all. But if that is the case, it doesn’t matter if Alliance has demigods or not. It only matters in Alliance vs Horde scenarios.
Nope, not at all. You’re being intellectually dishonest if you believe the Alliance could’ve won BFA without Jaina.
I mean the guy started by telling me to shut up about being a victim and just continue by saying how much of a victim he was…
And its even more funny that HE is the one that started talking about the oh great horde story but he can’t take reply telling him that it wasn’t a great story.
He just want to say whatever he want with no one to disagree with him…
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My point was that if anytime a story developement that they are unhappy with happens.
They voice those concerns.
And people come out from under the troll bridge just to derail the conversation that they have it worse so the unhappy people should shut it is inherently toxic.
If you have it worse, even if true, it is bad to go around and tell people they don’t have it as bad and they should be satisfied with what they got.
That is toxic behavior.
And yeah me filtering myself may appear rude but I am just exhasperated that these topics always become a competition of who has it worse and so who needs to shut it and take the bad story and bite down everybite in silence.
No matter who on which side does this it is bad.
Everyone was talking about and agreeing with how the whole Malfurion stuff was dumb. It wasn’t derailed until you started complaining. And when no one agrees with you, you go on these weird as hell tangets nobody gives a damn about
At least hold yourself to same standard you apparently hold everyone else to.
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