You can’t say “no changes” anymore after Blizz opted for patch 1.12 and created mega serves. There are so many things that are inherently not vanilla like (broken IMO) due to these changes.
On-topic, WBs. They were not dropped on CD nor planned out like they are now back in Vanilla (if so, extremely rare) because servers were 1/5 the size. This is the exact reason Blizz had to change the Black Lotus spawn as it wasn’t scaled to the enormous population of the servers.
Yes, we can.
For one, 1.12 is still no changes. And “no changes” is an expression of desire, not a description of the game, so even if the game is inaccurate to vanilla, no changes is not an invalid response to a suggestion for more changes.
We’re saying we want NO CHANGES, including mega servers.
I can say “I want the game to be as close as possible.” Just because Blizzard did 1 thing I dislike does not mean that the flood-gates should suddenly be open and suddenly put in LFR and Titanforging.
Yes, the game is not a perfect recreation. And I would be happier if it was closer to that than what we have. But again…just because its not a perfect recreation is not a justification for removing feature or adding features.
You don’t speak for me. You never have and you never will.
You speak for Pollz…and I’d like to think that Pollz can stand on his own without needing to crutch on me…or the invisible ‘silent majority’ through use of the ‘royal we’.
Am I wrong Pollz?
It’s o.k. to lobby for a retention of the current status quo. I’m not surprised when it happens. I’m also not surprised there are people who have their own personal reasons for not liking the way world buffs currently work.
I am not advocating for changes like we have for retail. But rather, to close loopholes/exploits that are a direct result of the decision to have mega servers. This includes, but are not limited to, WBs and the Black Lotus change.
Regarding 1.12, this was a very late patch in vanilla. Doing MC/BWL with this version makes the content much easier than it was back then. Adding in all the WBs, exacerbates this issue further.
You’re right, I am speaking for my self. But as it is obvious in the last few posts there are people who share my opinion. But it is my opinion, and I’m not arrogant enough to suggest changes to the game to mold the game into what I want it to be…or what I think it should be.
I just want the game to have as many as the features intact as it had 15 years ago.
You’re allowed to not like how world buffs work. You’re also allowed to not engage with that system. But don’t have the gall to tell other’s they should not interact with that system if they prefer.
You just told me that I was not allowed to say “no changes” because mega-servers exist though. I don’t like mega-servers, I think they’re not very Vanilla at all. I am not a fan of launching with 1.12. I wish they had progressive patches too.
But saying that these things exist, there for other’s should not be allowed to have world buffs seems…silly.
Your first point was our Vanilla Guild doing MC and BWL back in the day. I didn’t know or care who was doing what DPS as long as it all got deaded. We had none of the people described in your second paragraph, and there was plenty of respect to go around.
Damage meters have literally always been a thing and people have literally always cared. Maybe YOU didnt, but plenty did
True. I’m just saying we had an entire guild that proves you don’t have to be concerned about what the other buff-optional people think of you.
And nobody ever said otherwise. In fact, he’s saying exactly that. If you don’t want to get buffs fine, dont get buffs. But calling for restrictions on how other people play the game because YOU don’t want to try as hard as them is… pretty weak
Oh yeah. Totally. I’d assume just leave the buff alone, and was more backing up @Pollz statement about how it shouldn’t be a big deal, if the guy is really in a buff-optional Guild.
You’re playing a different game. Classic WoW after 60 exists on WoL. If you’re not playing the WoL game, you’re literally wasting time playing a 15 year old game for teh lulz. For perspective, I hung the game up recently solely because of world buffs and their idiocy. Spending ridiculous amounts of time and effort to raid for 30 min. a week made no sense. Completely idiotic, but it’s the game for people that care to compete, so in weighing whether to do so at the expense of my sanity I chose the latter. I’ll gladly come back if they find a way to not tie “progression” to world buffs.
The fact that you dont consider world pvp and dispelling along with people potentially being late on occasion due to raids being 40 people shows how little you understand. Unless you’re on a PVE server.
World buff runs can and should be considered “meme” runs due to inconsistency. True merit should be what you bring and buff inside. I’m all for warcraftlogs doing a different category for true speed runs and world buff meme runs similar to BWL full vs meme trash skips
That’s just like…your opinion…man.
Also yes, playing a game for “teh lulz” is kinda the whole point of a game?
Also yes, playing a game for “teh lulz” is kinda the whole point of a game?
That’s just like…your opinion…man.
Yup, it is. But if you’re not playing a game for fun, then it is also my opinion that you really should not be playing that game.
But I’m not trying to force my opinion down other’s throats. But you did the right thing…you didn’t find the game fun, so you quit. That is the adult thing to do. You are not advocating the game being rewritten to match your definition of fun…which is what other people are doing.
Yeah… well…your kind travels single file to hide their numbers.
Probably a defense against getting sapper’d.
You just told me that I was not allowed to say “no changes” because mega-servers exist though.
Correct. You can’t logically be the #no changes guy, when we’re starting off the bat with major changes such as mega servers. Code will need adjusting to compensate for that major change. Like the current WB meta that didn’t exist back then and the Black Lotus change they’ve already implemented.
If you still dont know how to protect your world buffs that is 10000% on you.
If your raid doesn’t know how to zone out and summon en masse if someone is late… also on you.
Thanks for furthering my point. The issue clearly seems to be… you’re just not that good at the game. If you were, you could bring in your world buffs 99% of the time.