Please mesh XP on and XP off together again

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A small group of people were complaining about Twinks, pre separation.
Gearing still has the same efficacy, yet queues have been much longer.

It is a problem, and some form of reintegration may be in the works.

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Why would you even take that bait? It was such an awkward comment :joy:

You’re either going to win or lose a BG. There is no grey (no pun intended) area. Before, the team with the most twinks won. I don’t think anyone who isn’t trying to goof around and get someone going will disagree with that. When there are no twinks, win ratios will be about the same. The only way around this is if all the best players played 1 faction on twinks, which is false.

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The team with the smarter players won. Enchanted heirloom gear and gear in other spots could keep up with twinks, but you have to be higher than honor level 1 (meaning actual BG experience) to know that.

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Imagine people getting upset about other people having better gear than them in an MMORPG.

its not like you arent allowed to twink either.

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Skilled/Geared players are still performing with the same efficacy as before separation.
Although, the overall gearing quality of most players since 8.1.5 has been lowered.
(As recorded in XPon)
Less competition allows the whales to eat freely. :wink:

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I’m confused.

If you can’t get queues to pop outside 19 and 29, then how could your absence be so detrimental to our queues?

I’ve also been told that nothing has changed (as documented) and that twinks are still in our queues as per The Movement.

:thinking:

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Not saying anything, but yes twinks are getting into xpon BGs and leaving early or finding other ways to not gain xp.

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I’ve been in BGs where people are accused of twinking but upon inspecting, they are just leveling with heirlooms.

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We know. Which is why I’m perplexed by the insinuation that queues are meaningfully longer now after twinks got the boot.

You don’t need to say anything. We’re all pretty well informed about how they’re getting in right now.

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Correct.
SS have been provided for months from some of the most dedicated players in the World of Warcraft Community.

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So why are queues longer now?

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Just as in wrath, you have the immature people who pout and do some of the awkward things they openly admit here, such as entering BGs and just sitting there as their way of revolting, etc. We won’t get “good” data until after all the smoke clears, which could take a few months. Those that have all their dogs barked usually stop doing things like this in that time frame.

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Let’s be frank.
Longer Queues are an issue.
Take a quick look at the other elephant in the room, threads involving same faction Queues.
Solutions are being discussed.

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From you ever, we know.

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Let’s be fair here. The screenshots you provide are better than nothing at all but they aren’t empirical or statistically significant. If you had taken 100 screenshots before the split and 100 after, that “data” still wouldn’t be even remotely generalizable to player trends.

Grey doesn’t offer good data for the same reason that you don’t, no one has it.

I didn’t ask if longer queues were problematic, I asked why the queues are longer now. Are there many twinks or not? Are you still in our queues are aren’t you?

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I will say this now, as I will again.
We know who has provided the most consistent information on this subject.
The most reliably statistically accurate methods were used to assure quality factual data.
No argument.

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I just saw that in your comment. Is he actually still trying to talk to me? Why would somebody talk to someone who doesn’t even read anything they ever say? And I was just talking about dogs being barked… :man_shrugging:

Anyway, you are correct. Screenshots are not very good “data”. They’re good anecdotes. Not to mention, I’ve looked at several of them and a lot of them made absolutely no sense. Screenshots taken from inside the flag room saying “nope, no GY camping going on here!”. Without quantitative data, you’ll need several hundred samples to make a good assessment.

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People have made excuses for losses for years now. SS’s at least show not much has changed in quality of Bgs. Sure twinks aren’t doing their dmg now it’s people with enchanted heirlooms on better low level bg classes.

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Why wear Heirlooms? they give too much XP.
I just want to enjoy my slow creep through the Brackets, I am here for the PVP.

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That’s what I’m trying to explain, they don’t actually show anything substantive.

I don’t like criticizing your methods because you’re one of precious few people around here who actually goes out and tries to obtain something reliable, but it isn’t working.

If you only take screenshots of GY camps, you could say “Look at this Imgur album of 30 screenshots. 30 is a big number. This album means that GY camping occurs at the same or similar rate as before the split.” That’s just not how social data is collected or presented.

If you want to appear less bias, you might have screenshotted every battleground you were in and compared the percentage of all BGs played that were GY camps against the percentage of all games that weren’t; both before and after the split.

But even then, we couldn’t conclude anything decisively. Screenshots, as Grey said, are good anecdotes rather than good data.

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