If you could link me to some of your responses I’d be interested in reading them. I’ve always felt the opposite. WoW thrived on maintaining an engaging leveling process along with an engaging endgame. Thats part of the reason why Classic was and is liked so much. It was a journey, instead of a long line to get to the ride (120).
Avoiding twinks is the worst possible thing you could do!? If I ever see a twink in a BG my entire goal is to kill them, regardless of my gear. I’ve been leveling up a few new Zandalari and have met twinks in quite a few games (exploiting the way to turn EXP off I assume) and have had quite a few excellent games.
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There is one of my games I decided to screenshot, as I was facing 4 twink druids in the 20 bracket in WSG. We still whooped them because I sat on them the whole game. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/scarjø
Then I faced this person in the 70s on my hunter. They were running with an agility flask that requires max Cata alchemy and had full engineering. Still won, and they made the game very exciting.
Would you say that some of this is attributable to the mentality of today’s player? I started playing this game in 06. At that time, the mentality at any lvl was gear up. Now the mentality has shifted. It has become I don’t have it, so I don’t want them to have it.
That was a side effect of the fact that you HAD to gear up in order to level. You couldn’t just expect people to win BGs for you or run dungeons with you while you pull 14 dps.
Its not a reasonable expectation anymore, which I see as a bad thing, but some people like Erelir apparently see it as a positive. Although in his case, he could be referring to SPECIFICALLY battlegrounds, not just leveling in general. Some just want to speed level and get to the max level theme park, which is contributing to the decline of the game imo.
I genuinely don’t mean to be dismissive, but that might be a pain to do on my phone. I may dig around in a minute or just update when I can get to a computer.
No, I wouldn’t. I played then and I play now, but I can confidently say that people whose goal is to level through battlegrounds should not be intermingled with people who want to shut off their experience, get BiS gear, and remain in one pre-cap bracket indefinitely. Their goals are contradicting.
That’s very Khang of you to point to “today’s lazy generation” as the reason for the split lol. I don’t think it’s lazy to not want to compete with BiS geared players in every bracket to 120, I think it’s plainly reasonable. For most of us, the gear hunt is at 120, not eleven separate times before then.
I could agree to that if twinks had that much of an advantage.
If you gave me 1 week at Blizzard, I could highlight every area of twinking that was being abused to give the huge advantages at each level bracket.
Mainly we’re talking gems from 60-90, Felstones (not many people know about these, but you can still buy them and annihilate people 98-109), and azerite gear. Very small aspects that were blowing twink numbers out of proportion.
I’ve been leveling my twinks, and their gear lasts about 20-30 levels, and I’m still going 20kbs-0deaths most of my games. In fact, most of my new characters are performing similarly with just a few enchants and by using the plethora of Saltwater Potions I’ve saved up over the past year.
I twinked in WoD, I twinked in Legion, and I’m certainly going to be twinking now. The difference now is I’ll be following people as they level, rather than just being a passerby as you went through the 60 bracket or the 110 bracket.
Created him after twinking was separated. Still same results. All it took was 20 minutes of engineering and a friend running me through Dragon Soul. If that small amount of effort is too much for people, I can understand. But I believe they are not the best demographic for this game.
Right. I think we can all agree that there were better alternatives to bracket separation.
For a time, it appeared that they were trying to tune individual low level items to make it work too but with the release of ‘titanforged’ quest items, it became much easier for them to just split us.
Like I said, if we had a mutually hospitable environment, then no one would object to another merge.
Templating primary stats/weapon damage and letting secondaries and trinkets be fully customized could’ve been a pretty good way to compromise and build on the legion system. That’s pretty much what the new system is doing anyways, without the invisible scaling BS. It’d actually work throughout the whole game too instead of just inside the end-game ilevel progression box
Judging by how this character basically has 120s on farm, I have my doubts about that. Since I’m not allowed in BGs anymore, I just go to wherever theres an invasion and farm 120s due to stat scaling. I farmed Conqueror of Azeroth on this character.
Would it be fair to generalize those that are scheduling xp off wargames against other xp off players into this “twinks have done nothing but whine” category?
This can’t possibly be true! Everyone knows twinks are unkillable raid boss types!
On a serious note, I too am working on a “leveling twink” (healer of course), and have gotten whispers from people “thank God your geared, they have 4 healers!” or “yay twink healer!”
People do seem to always focus on the negative aspects, and complain about twinks, but never stop to realize that maybe they on the back of a twink who was there countering the twinks on the other team.
But nah, all twinks are bad, none of us are trying to help our team win, we all just cackle maniacally while we camp the graveyard and kill those poor levelers.
Even us dedicated healers are up there killing everyone because we can’t die!
Although my repair bill surely says otherwise…
I have been saying the same thing.
It took my newest leveling twink 1 run through the sunwell to get about half the gear needed to supplement my heirlooms.
I really don’t see why there can’t just be some kind of a compromise either. Why not let xp-off play in certain brackets, and the levelers can have the rest? It would certainly be better than kicking a bunch of players to the curb, right?
So, of course we’d have to protect all those “new players,” ahem, but yeah. Why not 20-29s, and like 50-59s (since that seems popular) and a couple of others (spread out by a few brackets). Then everyone could play at least some…
It would have to made clear which brackets, and levelers could still join if they want (but they’d know what they were getting into, so no tantrums).
Not ideal, I know, but maybe better than nothing? Just a thought.