Nope that’s why there are multiple proposals on how to address the issue its not a clear ok keep it like this or merge there are solutions inbetween to resolve our issues without giving us the worst experience possible in terms of lag
Try to do some reading above
The solution is simple, merge the battlegroups for BGs - keep arena separate. As much as the OP is complaining about arena queue times - they really aren’t that bad. I’m on the upper side of OCE mmr currently and the 2s queues are about 3-4minutes max. That’s bearable imo. Lack of AV isn’t.
Option 1 : Queue Priority system - After being in queue 5 mins you are put onto NA battlegrounds.
Option 2 : Give an option for oceanic players to either queue OCE or NA at there discretion.
Option 3 : Make battlegrounds NA but keep Arena’s on oceanic servers
Option 4 : Show how many players are in queue for xx bg / arena
You’ve created a PvP system that encourages players to not participate and refuse to address the underlying issues
AV Meta - Rush boss ignore pvp
WSG - Play 1 cap then give up for best honor
EOTS - Cap 1 tower then spam cap flags for honor
You have players botting / spam afking bg’s.
You have players organising groups to intentionally lose for mark farming.
You have players who aren’t even bothering to bg because of how low the honor is.
All of this behaviour is because you fail to address the underlying issues around pvp / faction imbalance etc.
These are just some quick examples and im certain others have even better options suggestions.
Potential Solutions
1.Increase honor per battleground so they become more enjoyable and rewarding.
AV - Why do people want to rush to end and kill boss ? because its the most effecient honor per hour you force them to play that way ? fix it increase honor from objectives like towers / galv ? give more bonus honor for summoning npcs like ivus etc encourages players to actually play the battleground the way it should be played.
AB - Only reason people afk or won’t participate is they don’t want to sit in a 3 - 2 capped game for 30-40 mins + for such small amounts of honor increase the honor per match it makes the 40 min games worthwhile to not only play but also try to win.
EOTS - Bring back honor from flags but also increase tower honor gains that are much higher the priority objective is the tower with the flag being secondary.
WSG - Increase honor per capped flag.
2.Open free faction transfers for oceanic realms with faction imbalances.
3.Alternative is look at the faction racials which is what i believe causes some of the faction imbalances to begin with and see what can be done around that.
What you’re discussing there is an overhaul of the whole PvP system. We’re talking about just fixing the queues for OCE.
Read options 1,2,3,4 simple solutions for our issues
Adding lag to reduce queue times by a few minutes isnt worth it. There are fundamental issues with the pvp system most of which is a lack of incentive for non arena players to participate in BGs as its basically just mid tier gear that pve players will get faster and pvp players who dont plan to arena will still need to replace with arena gear in sw
As an outsider watching the situation I can sum up my knowledge of the oce/na pvp shenanigans.
~4 months ago - Oce: blizz please merge us with na, 1hr+ wait for bgs and av doesn’t exist outside of the holiday weekend.
~1 month ago - Oce: WTF BLIZZ U MERGE US HOW CAN WE ARENA AT 200 MS
Now - Oce: wtf blizz merge when??
Make up your minds. This is getting ridiculous.
100% this as mentioned above who’s going to spend 300+ hrs grinding blue pvp gear as a normal player lol its only the sweaty nerds doing it not to mention people aren’t all 70 yet
Alliance queues have never been more than 2-3 mins horde queues have been due to faction imbalance no different for NA nice try though
What do you mean nice try? You can simply use the search function to fact check my assessment of the ongoing situation.
NA Issue
maybe we should merge NA with EU ?
My post has nothing to do with NA/EU or horde/alliance.
It has to do with Oce asking for a merge, then having a fit when it happens, and now asking for a merge again.
I can understand that people want AV games. I do as well. Adding lag to OCE bgs AGAIN for the sake of maybe ~5 min quues if anything at all, and to have AV games? How about adding incentives to queue AV?
Some people are only looking at the prize and looking for the easiest, most basic thing to get it. It’s not worth it. Competitive players shouldn’t be okay with any sort of sub-par experience.
You’re saying the same thing 100 other guys before you have said. It’s neither clever, nor original.
The people who asked for the separation aren’t the same people now asking for a merge. It’s the reasonable people who kept quiet before and now see the need for a re-merge that are speaking here.
There are some people complaining about queue times as a justification for merge but the queue times are also a problem globally not just oceanic ? so the arguement is flawed
Case closed
But can you see why Blizzard and others would be reluctant to support an Oceanic/NA merge? It’s very confusing as an outsider.
Very different people though, you can see the sheer number of threads complaining about the merge from people with sub 10 post counts just because of how obstructive it is to people who want good games.
For people who just want queues to pop to get honor merging battlegroups makes sense, but if we even consider that I would want arena to be merged as well and people play on US ping in arena because if “ping doesnt matter” for bgs then it doesnt matter for arenas either.
Almost everything you quoted is in regards to faction imbalance. Again, my post has nothing to do with that.
I am merely stating that the oceanic player base is essentially playing tug of war with blizz when it comes to merges.
You ask for it, you get it, you don’t want it, and now you want it again.
I’m sure they worry that they’ll get another backlash, but I suspect that most of the loudmouths would be quiet if they re-merged. I’m sure most of them are regretting it, they just don’t want to admit it. The best bet is to have a widespread polling of oceanic players on the issue, and see what they decide.
Merged = Forces oceanic players to play with lag regardless if they want it or not
Transfering = Allows players who want NA battlegroup to have that and the lag that goes with it without forcing others to do anything
Very clear cut