Please make Tusks of mannoroth be a 1% drop

[Ethann-pagle]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

Two reasons:

1. Lower drop rates keep players playing longer which earns the company more revenue.
2. Lower drop rates keep players playing longer which gives the player more play.

Any proof to back this up ?

[Ghaghzull-malganis]

I personally glad I got the tusk its was pain to farm.

[Grømmar-gallywix]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

• Lower drop rates keep players playing longer which earns the company more revenue.
• Lower drop rates keep players playing longer which gives the player more play.

You remind me of a really obnoxious lawyer that thinks that long grinds = fun.

[Varlth-mankrik]

@Grømmar-gallywix

I’m 100% sure anyone who has it would not be oposed for a buff in the drop rate

I have them and I oppose it just because you’re 100% confident.

Come at me.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Bearkitten-bloodsail-buccaneers

@Silverleigh-drakthul

There is zero evidence that being unable to acquire a very small amount of cosmetic items due to their low drop rate has led, or even contributed, to a significant number of players quitting.

The idea that there can only be one reason why players leave and none of the reasons given count for 100% is counterproductive.

But I did not do that. I specifically said:

'or even contributed, to ’

And nothing in your post gives any actual evidence negating my statement.

@Bearkitten-bloodsail-buccaneers

That’s what’s called a “quit moment”.

The ‘quit moment’ is a superficial theory pulled out of a youtuber buttocks without any academic or scientific foundation, let alone any type of systematic study to validate it.

And even if it wasn’t just all hot, smelly air, you didn’t bother to tie it to any actual evidence, so it still wouldn’t negate my statement.

@Bearkitten-bloodsail-buccaneers

@Silverleigh-drakthul

Farming any cosmetic is only ‘a full time job’ if a player chooses to make it that type of experience.

This not a design issue, it is a player issue, because the design makes cosmetics completely optional, therefore it is the player’s choice.

If the game is designed full of hard to get cosmetics entirely intended to exploit that tendency of certain types of players, then it’s not the players’ fault in any way. Stop blaming players for 1:2000 drop rate rares. They didn’t set up that system.

No where in my post did I hold players responsible for the game design of 1:2000 drop rate rares.

I held (and hold) players responsible for (a) choosing to engage with the content (b) their choice of how they engage with the content and (c) their choice to continue engaging with the content long after it becomes a negative experience (or, in your words: a nightmare).

Please don’t put words in my mouth.

@Bearkitten-bloodsail-buccaneers

@Silverleigh-drakthul

Untrue.

The current design choices make it very clear ramrodding everyone into current content is a strong priority.

But that does not mean that they are not also willing to take advantage of luring players into farming old content indefinitely during content droughts.

Which is exactly what I said. They want players to be ramrodded into end game where doing months of chores will surely addict them to esports, while at the same time they can’t resist pushing them to farm highly desirable stuff that will take years to get.

That is not what you said. You said:
‘Blizzard can’t decide whether they want to ramrod everybody into current content to make their metrics look better or have them stuck in old content indefinitely’.

That is an ‘or’ in there, not an ‘and’.

And please don’t bring addiction into this as that is a serious issue which shouldn’t be trivialized by using it to shield and excuse the spoiled entitled whiners who want rare rewards without putting the time, effort and energy in to acquire them.

And, given that those rare items are a very small percentage of the overall cosmetics in the game, they can live without them. And maybe learn something in the process.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Grømmar-gallywix

@Silverleigh-drakthul

• Lower drop rates keep players playing longer which earns the company more revenue.
• Lower drop rates keep players playing longer which gives the player more play.

You remind me of a really obnoxious lawyer that thinks that long grinds = fun.

But that’s the whole point of my argument with the other poster.

I only do long grinds that equal fun to me. I had a ball running Shadowfang Keep over 80 times in order to get ‘Pattern: Dark Leather Tunic’.

If the grind does not equal fun to me, I don’t do it. I ran Throne of the Four Winds a couple of times for the mount, discovered I did not enjoy running it all and haven’t touched it since.

I really wanted the mount from The Stonecore and enjoyed the instance so I ran it quite a lot. Then I stopped enjoying it, so I stopped running it.

And every player has that choice.

And every player is responsible for the choice they make. Not Blizzard, the player.

[Nui-feathermoon (Nui)]

Their argument is pretty flimsy anyway.

[Ethann-pagle]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

only do long grinds that equal fun to me. I had a ball running Shadowfang Keep over 80 times in order to get ‘Pattern: Dark Leather Tunic’.

Ok…but what you shared previously isn’t a fact but an opinion/assumption since you haven’t provided any proof to back it up that this grind causes players to play more and generates more revenue for company

[Ethann-pagle]

We got a female version of Clark here

[Grømmar-gallywix]

This is such a non argument, “If is not fun then don’t do it”.
Then why the hell would anyone play a game that isnt fun? I’l give you a hint, not blizzard mau’s for sure.

[Nui-feathermoon (Nui)]

It’s a pretty narrow way of thinking. If we use “necessity” as an argument one can argue that playing the game altogether is something you shouldn’t do because you don’t need to. Using necessity to discuss collecting things you desire. Incredibly laughable.

[Itaachi-proudmoore]

@Nui-feathermoon

It’s a pretty narrow way of thinking.

It’s an outdated thinking…

Wait both means same xD

[Näamah-ragnaros]

Now imagine Love Rocket 0.03, while Tusks are 0.4 drop rate from WoWhead i don’t know where you took the 0.02%.

We already discussed this topic on several forums post:

Community Council-Reward design around gear, cosmetics should be a important topic with Devs

So far I´ve not seen a Reward design Dev on the Community Council, Hopefully there´s a bigger discussion around this kind of topics, there’s a lot of forums post that could be part of a reward discussion: RNG and Bad luck mechanics for gear and cosmetics, there’s a playerbase asking for deterministic ways to earn that BIS status around gear and to finish with cosmetic farms that take years and thousand of attempts. Reward design around Cosmetics that can only be used during a holiday se…

Ideas to improve Paragon Reputation rewards

Hello! I’d like to have a discussion about Paragon reputation caches. Paragon caches were implemented in Legion as a (supposedly fun) way to keep us engaged and keep us doing world quests/content to grind out another 10k past exalted for possible rewards inside the cache. It kept world quests relevant beyond the players who would go out to look for the Marks of Honor or Artifact/Azerite/Anima quests. It is an “interesting” system that keeps people going out in to the open world for content wh…

I prefer to link the community council maybe one of them can check on how the playerbase keeps creating post around this kind of % rewards and check with Devs or maybe Devs can check that are post related to the community council post.

This kind of drops only incentivize an alt army meta, if you want those tusks, you’ll need like 10-20 plate characters maybe more, Sieg of Orgrimmar doesn’t have a skip and the BMAH as bad luck mechanic it’s not player friendly.

This game isn’t friendly for a player with few characters, even one player with each class will only have 3 attempts per week (pala, dk, war). We need a better reward path, that idea that some rewards are low drop to keep people subscribe is bad because eventually some player will quit and this kind of thing doesn’t promote the game to new players.

[Aonax-magtheridon]

My issue with SoO is the length of time it takes to run each week. Fourteen boss and 4 of them prior to Garrosh require you to engage in the fight rather then just one tapping the boss. That is not even mentioning how much of this raid you need to just walk trough. At least with Tusks you are actually able to save a Heroic/ Normal lockout at Garrosh and share it to a plate wearer weekly. The Iron Juggernaut mount however you are SOL on that.

[Flowerkin-sargeras]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

Buffing the drop rate would just invalidate all the work people have put into it already.

No. It wouldn’t.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

part of the reason tusks is so cool is because it’s a low droprate

Go invest in a Tusks of Mannoroth NFT if you want something exclusive. People want them because they look awesome. Like the Horseman’s mount, or the Big Pink Whetever-they-renamed-it Rocket.

[Humanbeak-drenden]

Since Blizz likely won’t be touching SoO or its drops anytime soon…

There’s nothing to stop us from saving a heroic lockout on a toon on a second account and just using them to invite all of our other toons, correct?

[Balefury-stormrage]

Invincible anyone?

[Grømmar-gallywix]

@Humanbeak-drenden

There’s nothing to stop us from saving a heroic lockout on a toon on a second account and just using them to invite all of our other toons, correct?

You can do on your own account, just need to use a non plate wearer.
I used the lockout trick for about 1200 attempts across characters , then i just said f this.

[Humanbeak-drenden]

@Grømmar-gallywix

@Humanbeak-drenden

There’s nothing to stop us from saving a heroic lockout on a toon on a second account and just using them to invite all of our other toons, correct?

You can do on your own account, just need to use a non plate wearer.

Oh that’s awesome too! I can’t wait to finally have an easier time at getting those tus-

@Grømmar-gallywix

I used the lockout trick for about 1200 attempts across characters , then i just said f this.

[Krutz-bleeding-hollow]

@Doness-kargath

it’s a nasty grind

It took me more attempts than I care to admit. I used multiple plate-wearing alts to help me out.

When they finally dropped, it was like sweet release.