Please fix spell batching

It’s not like classic, it’s just broken and laggy.

You hit a mob with frost bolt, 5 seconds later it becomes snared. You kill a mob with holy fire. A second later it kills you from the grave.

This doesn’t give out “polished blizzard product” feeling. Just feels buggy.


There’s nothing to fix, this is how it was in Vanilla. It sucks but blame the people who advocated for it, they thought they wanted it but they didn’t.

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It wasn’t I don’t remember such lag, or such poor render distance. Those came with new client trying to pretend like old one.


Your memory isn’t infallible. 400ms batches were a thing in Vanilla, Blue posts from years ago confirm that.

There were at least a few people here who knew what Vanilla batching meant, they knew it was going to be awful but their voices were drowned out by the “AWESOME! EVERYTHING ABOUT VANILLA WAS THE BEST! NO-CHANGES!” crowd.

By [Celestalon] [on 2014/06/18 at midnight](Patch 5.4.7)

I don’t want to get too deep into the under-the-hood workings of WoW servers, but here’s a super short version. Any action that one unit takes on another different unit used to be processed in batches every 400ms. Some very attentive people may have noticed that healing yourself would give you the health instantly (minus client/server latency), whereas healing another unit would incur a delay of between 0ms and 400ms (again, on top of client/server latency). Same with damaging, applying auras, interrupting, knocking back, etc.

That delay can feel bad just due to the somewhat laggy responsiveness feeling, but also because the state of things can change during that time. For example: Holly the Holy Priest is healing Punky the Brewmaster. Punky spikes low, and Holly hits Guardian Spirit in a panic. The server verifies that Holly is able to cast it, and that Punky is alive (great!). The cast goes off, Guardian Spirit goes on cooldown, and a request is placed for the Guardian Spirit aura (that prevents dying) to be placed on Punky. That request will be filled next time the 400ms timer loops, which happens to be 320ms from now. 250ms later, the boss lands another hit on on Punky. Punky dies. Sadface. Another 70ms goes by, and the Guardian Spirit aura request pops up, and goes “Hey guys, I’m here!.. Aww… damn, I missed the party. Sadface.”

We no longer batch them up like that. We just do it as fast as we can, which usually amounts to between 1ms and 10ms later. It took a considerable amount of work to get it working that way, but we’re very pleased with the results so far; the game feels noticeably more responsive.

I can’t guarantee that you’ll never ever again run into cases where Guardian Spirit went on cooldown and the tank still died… but it’ll be literally 40x rarer than before, and the whole game will feel more responsive too.

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Shamans insta-killing people because elemental mastery batching 2-3 spells and critting some to death in less than a second wasn’t a thing.


[Patch 2.3.0] (2007-11-13): Elemental Mastery: It is no longer possible to get two consecutive guaranteed critical strikes from using this ability.

Fixed in TBC, because it was a thing.

Fixed in 2007. 13 years ago. Thank you. So even if it “was” a thing, it is not how it should be and needs to be addressed. Not all of us advocated for spell batching.

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I didn’t, I was against it because I KNEW the issues we used to have with tanks dying and LoH going on CD without doing anything. This is unfortunately the way things are because a bunch of super dad gamers with no forethought beyond “NO-CHANGES!” advocated for this lousy, outdated system. They blindly followed one of the Private server devs after he made a post about it.


You do realize that’s not only an argument for BFA with all its “fixes,” but the specific one J. Allen Youthinkyoudobutyoudont made, right?

I am generally indifferent to spell batching. Attempting to model the engine was never what I considered “no changes” to mean. But these threads, in which all the people who wanted active changes complain and laughably claim to speak for everyone, do push me toward appreciating it.