Please don't try to fix BG queues

Why are you invested in this discussion when you posted an “I quit!” thread today?

Go already, rofl!

To even out queue times, Blizzard will likely allow twice as many horde into the BG as alliance. Won’t change the game outcome anyway, and will move the queues right along.

What will us horde do while waiting for hours for que? Camp brd entrance muwahaha.

Alliance = black & white mode

OooOOoooooOooo

Did i hit a nerve or something? Yes i intend on queuing, and i’m on a PvP server, been playing exclusively on them since 2007.

Besides, if you want to bring Retail into this, where were big PvP guilds stationed traditionally? High end PvPers, Gladiators, streamers etc? Where most folks who do enjoy PvP to make it their end game focus USUALLY gather?

There’s plenty of data to back my hypothesis that people playing on PvE realm are less likely to make PvP their focus. Which means they won’t have as much weight as far as PvP queue time is concerned.

Equating PvP to getting camped is quite telling, actually.

i’ve been on pvp servers before. that’s the main difference for me, before WM. on a pvp server someone can camp me and there’s nothing i can do but log out. but on a pve/rp server i can spend most of my time questing in peace but flag if i’m in the mood to pvp.

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you mean you flag yourself when you see five horde beating up on one ally?
sporting of you :stuck_out_tongue:

see him dead you mean

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Not at all, it was an easy mistake since you’re HS Alliance. Coulda sworn it’s PvE for Ally :joy: but you thinking you hit a nerve made the easy bait all the sweeter xD

I do appreciate the deterioration of your hypothesis as more people net detract from your position of PvE players don’t queue for BGs.

Everytime this argument arises, I see PvE players countering it with: we enjoy PvP and BGs, but on our terms.

Can you share where this data is that provides relative rates by server type? I’m legitimately curious if there is adequate information to negate the null hypothesis. If there is plenty of it, I expect it is readily available and shareable.

Also, getting camped is PvP. It is literally Player versus Player engagement, a Heartseeker Ally should know that, silly!

In fact, if camping isn’t PvP, that supports my supposition that HS Ally don’t PvP :wink:

This is what happens when you listen to mentality ill people on the forums throwing cancel tantrums.

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no, i only turn WM on on my alliance toons on retail and then i pvp with my friend. haven’t done it much recently. but the VERY LAST THING I WILL DO IN THIS GAME (meaning if i ever did it i’d probably quit soon after) is gank alliance as a horde character. i started off as a dwarf pally. really thinking of rerolling again and remaking him on the rp server. and just saying to heck with it. XD

yeah I did the Horde thing a bit, just didn’t feel right.

how are you liking your warlock? i main one now in retail but haven’t gotten a classic one above 12. i keep thinking i don’t want to main something i’ve already mained before but they’re so different from retail it’s almost like a different class?

If you crave validation that much, glad to have been of help.

A handful of people in a biased forum thread is data now?

Again, refer to the point you willfully dodged. How many high end PvP guilds were created on PvE realms?

Taking another approach, mind explaining me why Blizzard opened majorly PvP realms for Classic?

I don’t see how being on Heartseeker discredits me of anything, but if you really want my 2c. about the situation here (since you insist on making this personal). I hate it and so does most of my guild, had we known that Blizzard would let things go this way, we would had gladly stayed on Stalagg, but what’s done is done, right? We’ll see what we do whenever paid transfers become a thing.

fwiw almost all of my friends in retail who love to pvp are on pve or rp servers. the people i know on like illidan or whatever are pve heroes. like don’t even have step into the arena level pvp casuals.

PvP servers are gone enitrely from Retail, you know that right?

do you think they just changed servers magically because WM is a thing? that costs money. my main alliance and horde are on rp servers. my good friend is on proudmoore which used to be a pve server. you’re not accepting that your opinion isn’t fact. there’s lots of us that love to pvp. but opening yourself up for griefing is not fair pvp, which is what we want. 10v1 is not my idea of pvp. which is what pvp servers always end up being. i turn WM off too if i see that alliance are starting to camp.

Thanks hoss!

Everything is data, but it isn’t a representative sample if that’s what you mean, which I certainly never claimed.

Speaking of which, can you please provide the source for your PvE server players don’t queue?

I’m not sure, can you provide the data on this?

However, your hypothesis is players on PvE don’t queue (with a recent addendum of less likely to) for BGs. The average player isn’t in a “high end PvP guild,” which also don’t make the majority of the population. Perhaps there are no high end PvP guilds on PvE servers, but that has no correlation to the rate PvE players queue because they are mutually exclusive events.

I agree, PvP players are possibly more likely to queue in BGs. But at what relative rate? What % of PvE players will never queue? Do you think a majority of those servers will never queue? All of this is supposition as well, unless you can share you source on the plenty of data concerning it.

Oh, it discredits you from nothing. But I’m still going to poke fun about it. Nope, you can reroll if you don’t like it. I think the target rich environment is awesome, already 90% of the way to rank 4 =D thanks for being a cooperative honor node!

he’s talking about random bgs too which is casual content above anything else except normal dungeons. it’s not like he’s talking about pushing for gladiator in retail. this entire classic game is a casuals game. he has me VERY confused on what he’s even trying to say.

Pretty simple really, people playing on PvE servers are less likely to be as interested by PvP, which means less of them might queue it, or at the very least they won’t queue as much of it or for as long on average as players on PvP servers, which means they won’t have as much impact on the cross-realm BG ecosystem.

Never said that they won’t touch PvP at all, you guys are the ones speaking in hyperbole and absolutes, not i.

uh you’ve had a thread full of people telling you their experience to the contrary and that it’s bull feces and you can’t seem to accept that. you legit are trying to say that most people on pve servers don’t pvp, which isn’t true at all. that’s like if i said that most alliance don’t pvp so your guild isn’t real. ???