Nah, in the Eastern Kingdoms atlas it says that nobody controls Tirisfal.
The Forsaken are still living there.
Not according to the atlas.
Don’t know where you read that because the Forsaken still control Tirasfal
Correction. “Control” is not the right word. But they still live there.
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Yes, but that isn’t the advertised version by blizzard
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The atlas straight up says that thanks to the blight and the destruction of both Brill and the Undercity that the bulk of the zone is uninhabitable and abandoned.
That’s why there are all those Forsaken refugees in Orgrimmar. There were wartable missions for Horde in BfA based on evacuating refugees from Tirisfal.
This is actually a step up for the Horde since before the atlas everything we had indicated that the Alliance controlled it given that they were launching attacks against the Sepulcher from Tirisfal.
Obviously Blizzard can pull whatever they want out of their rears in the future, but the lore as it stands right now is that Tirisfal’s only inhabitants are blighted, mindless undead.
Everything West of Calston estate is still intact and inhabited.
Everything East the of Scar in likely uninhabited, probably being fought over or held by the Alliance.
This is why it’s considered contested.
The Refugees are from Undercity.
If Tirisfal was still inhabited by the Forsaken why would they evacuate to the sea and then to Orgrimmar?
You’re misconstruing a semi-updated in-game zone status as being the canon one even though Blizzard has straight up released a book intended to clarify what’s happening in these zones after the Fourth War. If you’re going to ignore that source I guess that’s your prerogative but it means we can’t theorycraft together.
Same reason the Night Elves evacuated to Stormwind. The greater bulk of their population that resided in the city couldn’t be contained in the smaller area that they still controlled. Plus, it’s safer being further away from the fighting still going on.
No, you’re misconstruing a given offical status of a current zone to mean something it doesn’t.
Officially, the Alliance is occupying Lordaeron, but since that’s not logically possible, the only thing they can be occupying is part of Tirasfal. Because they’re still defending against the Horde there, it’s reasonable to conclude that the Horde still holds part of it.
If Yrel can do it, so can Turalyon.
Given the context of his comment, I believe he was being sarcastic.
Then what you’re describing isn’t really “inhabited” except in the most simplistic and literal sense. Tirisfal is probably still inhabited by Murlocs too but I don’t think anyone would extrapolate any significant strategic meaning from that.
The war is over. There’s no fighting there either way. The Alliance probably still “controls” the area in a strategic sense (by virtue of the fact that they control Lordamere Lake) but in terms of the land itself, nobody controls it. There aren’t any Forsaken there for the Brotherhood of the Light to kill.
I drew up a quick MSpaint map for another thread of current territorial control in Lordaeron as per Exploring Azeroth: The Eastern Kingdoms and this is it:
And this is already a pretty generous interpretation for the Forsaken since I assumed that places that weren’t mentioned either directly or indirectly like Tarren Mill and Andorhal to still be under their control despite it making no sense given their encirclement.
The Forsaken are toast in the Eastern Kingdoms right now. If you really want to do a Brotherhood of the Light thing then Andorhal makes more sense than Tirisfal, although one would still need to confront the question of why the Forsaken are still there at all, much less why they wouldn’t immediately surrender the town as soon as it came under pressure.
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I think it came from him being a veteran of the Second War, where the Horde was on a path of conquest. To them he just knew the Horde destroyed Stormwind, sought to claim the other kingdoms, killed his mentor, and then rallied under Ner’zhul in a gambit to use Azerothian artifacts to open a portal to another world to claim as their own. Furthermore Turalyon never got to see the Horde at its best, never saw how Thrall strived to lead the Horde toward redemption in the Third War. All that combined with the desire for the Alliance to be the antagonist for once instead of the Horde, made him the perfect person for that avenue.
However what these people failed to take into account is how even after witnessing Doomhammer kill Lothar, Turalyon ultimately decided to imprison him and the other orcs. The internment camps essentially exists because Turalyon choose mercy instead of extermination when it came to the defeated orcs.
Now personally I don’t see Turalyon becoming a villain like Garrosh or Sylvanas, where he’s the driving force of the conflict and causes his side to split. I can however see him being deceived, like he initially welcomes the Lightbound and then rallying the Alliance against them at the end of the expansion launch content. From there he’s either a comforting voice for those feeling betrayed and reminds others how they can’t let the light control them. Alternatively he could end up kidnapped, with his rescue being one of the main goals of the Alliance.
While that is a factor, there is also Alliance fans who frankly don’t want the Alliance to be responsible for anything wrong and will go out of their way to justify events that can be traced to the Alliance.
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Not gonna lie, at this point I kinda want the Scarlets being the Hydra of Warcraft. Every time they get wiped out they come back stronger or some such.
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If you consider Forsaken NPCs Murlocs. But canonically, the Forsaken still inhabit the western portion of Tirafal.
That was it’s last status as of the End of BfA. It ended with the Alliance still trying to hold Tirasfal against the Horde.
Tirasfal is not abandoned.
Not controlled by =/= Abandoned.
If we are going to completely ignore the books then this is still wrong, since if you ignore it then the most recent statements regarding who controls Tirisfal come from the Arathi Warfront and the Wartable, both of which indicate that the Alliance controls it. There is no indication from either that fighting is still happening in Tirisfal itself. The guy at Arathi says that the Battle for Stromgarde is strategically important because it allows the Alliance to continue to hold Lordaeron, and the wartables from Horde missions where you evacuate Forsaken from Tirisfal, and defend the Sepulcher from Alliance forces attacking FROM Tirisfal (which itself would suggest the Alliance controls the Western portion of Tirisfal anyway)
Either way, there aren’t any Forsaken there anymore for the Brotherhood of the Light to kill. If I’m going to be as generous as possible to your position then maybe there are some small enclaves like Deathknell or something, but that’s “inhabiting Tirisfal” the way that the Alliance “inhabited” Durotar.
He let a crystal chandelier imprison his wife for MILLENNIA 
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If the Alliance controlled it, then it would be Red to Horde and Green to Alliance. It’s not. It’s Yellow.
Right. Because they only hold the eastern portion.
Unless he wasn’t referring to the City but rather the Continent, which would make that statement more accurate. Because hold Arathi doesn’t firm up their hold on the city at all. It’s too distant and the Alliance didn’t have the force to hold all the territory between Arathi and Tirsfal.
No, it just means they travel through the southern portion.
And you shouldn’t take the Mission tables as canon.
It still has us evacuating Teldrassil.
No, it’s closer to the Alliance inhabiting the Southern Barrens.
Not exactly. The last time we’d seen him before he vanished was in Beyond the Dark Portal, and basically his character arc there had been saving Alleria from her suicidal survivor’s guilt and him being the only Alliance hero at the time to realize that countless other worlds were at stake and stopping what Ner’zhul planned was bigger than just saving the Alliance or defeating the Horde.
An understanding that would in all likelihood have been reinforced by subsequently spending a thousand years fighting a guerilla war against the Burning Legion.
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If PvP mechanics are how you are determining lore territorial control then this conversation is pointless.
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