He isn’t wrong people! Only mages, warlocks and DH’s can be OP in pvp and pve at the same time! As for you lowly WW’s you can’t be good in pve nor pvp at the same time!
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Lowly?
Monks are probably the best all around class in arena PvP. Between MW and WW, monks have the most representation in the arena leaderboard.
Now you want to buff them further?
WW relegated to being good at only MT PvE and PvP. Tyrannical week? Raid? Get outta here!
I don’t see what the harm is in buffing their ST PvE damage.
(With that said I do appreciate the latest buff that we got - it has made monk a lot more enjoyable to play).
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Your totally right about monks having a high representation in PVP. However, PVE MW is awful in mythic raiding. WW in pvp doesn’t look to be any more represented than warlock or mage. I just looked at the leaderboards quickly. I could be wrong.
Blizzard can also buff PvE without affecting PVP.
Also you shouldn’t nerf 1 spec of a class because its other spec is good. That doesn’t even make sense. The other spec shouldn’t suffer when they have nothing to do with the other being good at something.
Still I think we can all understand if WW was to be actually okay in PVE and be good in PVP. Maybe they should nerf some of the OP classes right now so every1 else can look better?
Hit Combo is a terrible talent. Incredibly boring and should absolutely be baked into mastery.
…and to those mentioning PvP nerfs, Blizzard can tweak that separately. The latest 5% buff to certain WW abilities only applied to PvE, not PvP.
Quite frankly WW Monks do fine but there are some classes/specs that aren’t doing good at all. Those need buffs first.
I agree, individually nerf every player asking for DH nerfs.
I believe Windwalker was solidly the second-best spec in Antorus and was extremely broken. That’s… the literal only time that spec was ever super good in raiding though.
Not according to Warcraft logs. Looks to be Dot classes + fury warrior. WW did look better at the antorus time in terms of balance than now though. WW wasn’t bad but nothing close to top.
Looking more at Antorus logs it looks like the game was a lot more balanced in legion tbh.
Please buff MM too
I 100% agree!
Buff MM (make it play better)
Buff Sub Rogue
Buff Surv hunter
Buff Mw and WW as well
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Because your other players don’t know how to do their rotation optimally and or he farmed echoes for versa stack while they haven’t farmed their bis corrupt setups.
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I feel this is mostly an issue with corruption so once we are stat squished and reduced in levels and no longer have to worry about corruption, it’s not a big deal.
honestly, this late in the expansion, with numbers as close as they are and as geared as we can be, not that big of a difference nor from bottom to middle as long as you play well. People are too bothered by a lot of this stuff thinking it won’t help them get in parties. this is more of a community issue. monks at least provide the debuff along with utility.
You can’t make every spec good or try to rotate who gets to be top when they also provide tons of utility. Even if you buff the bottom 4, then the new people at the bottom 4 will be wondering why they are the bottom below people with usable utility in raids and debuffs where they don’t.
especially when people want to nerf the top 3-4 (saw a few say that here), then if you do that, literally all the warlock specs are the top parsing specs and amazing in pvp.
Crazy that warlocks can have 3 AMAZING parsing specs PLUS provide utility that they do and only barely behind the top 4. They’ve been one of the most consistent classes with how high their dps is on at least one spec. Not when warlocks are top. Always weird to me.
If they want to be nerfed to the DH, why would we want to ask the Monks to help? It sounds kind of ridiculous and selfish of you and your community.
Wait, monks have a DPS spec?
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There are multiple issues with WWs that I won’t repeat from my original post. But unlike other terrible (Pve) specs like sub rogues, and survival hunters, WWs have no other DPS spec choice.
Why? People wont play them anyway. It’s like buffing feral cat
yeah but neither do ret and they preform just as poorly if not worse more often than not and far more people play them. Right now, they are pretty close. Monks still have a melee debuff too which pretty much auto gets at least 1 spot unless you bring a brewmaster which is always possible given how good they are.
SV has a worse fate though, it has not only bad damage, but also little utility against the other melee so it’s not really needed and most will tell them to just go BM since that’s pretty much an always thing. It’s always a bad feeling to not be able to play your spec regardless if you can “just play another” especially when it’s not even in the same position like swapping from MM to BM. However, it is still an option, so I guess at least that makes them not unplayable.
All 3 of rogues specs preform poorly in raids (mythic) currently, so even if it’s barely doing better than WW, they don’t have anything else. Assassin is maybe doing 4k dps on average over WW who does have utility. They are mostly just for M+ due to rogue utility being good for that with OK damage.
either way, a lot of these top ends are so strong because of corruption. If they nerf the corruption it should be closer. maybe they could use a tiny buff but It would be such a tiny buff. If they buff them, rets should be buffed too.
Nerf warlocks. 3 specs all doing great.
You obviously don’t know much about why the classes I named are so bad right now.
I’m not going to go over every single little detail with MW but in short they can’t compete with the other healers for many reasons in Mythic + raiding. (Not just throughput)
Sub rogues are horribly balanced right now and don’t make me go get logs to show it. Along with MM and Surv. If anything, BM should be nerfed along with buffs to MM and Surv. No reason BM should always be the top spec. MM needs core changes as well. WW can’t scale worth Sh** and has always been okay and rarely seen as good in raiding. MW also has never ever had its spot in the sun except on release. Just go look at logs dating all the way back to MoP and you’ll see this.
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Except Feral can switch to boomie and be decent. Feral itself isn’t all that bad either - certainly not near the bottom like WW and Ret.