Inflation doesnt exist.
The prices of everything outside of gdkps is deflated not inflated.
And gdkps arent something economics can even begin to make a pattern for.
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Banning GDKP hits the primary market for the rmt gold. They would lose significant numbers of customers and the value of botting goes down.
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You guys are very dumb.
Bots inflate the quantity of mats and consumables in the AH which drives the price down. As a ratio of total available gold⌠mats and consumables are free. I do 1 gdkp in 2 hours and get 20-50k and dont have to think about gold again because i have enough pots, flasks, feasts, gems, enchants⌠etc to last until the end of cata.
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If that was true and there were no other consequences, then why hasnât Blizzard done it?
Do you really think they havenât analyzed this and are otherwise ignorant to how this works?
They havenât because they donât see the issue you say is there. In fact theyâve already validated GDKPs arenât in violation of their ToS
This is simple, answer these questions in order and maybe it will make sense.
If you have a higher supply than you do demand, do prices go up or down?
Do you think bots create a higher supply than demand?
This really isnt hard.
Calling people dumb and then continuing on to explain how/why this drives prices down
Well played
I yield
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These people have literally 0 idea how this works.
Bots literally farm 24/7.
They create a supply so big the demand is no where near what the supply is.
Since the supply is so much greater than the demand the price of those goods deflate and go down in price.
This same principle is why era is the way it is, your bots left, demand is higher than supply.
The supply of what?
The supply of bis gear is a coin toss once a week. The supply is limited, the demand is high. The demand for gold is high and the supply is also high. You can get gold from attempting to farm in game through mats or raw gold farms but compared to the potential price of that coin toss of bis you are wasting your time. You may as well level another character and pipe it into gdkps.
The supply for mats/consumables/enchants is high. The demand depends on the player but with 8 alts i couldnt imagine running out of gold and i literally prepot before 5 man trash pulls. Because compared to a single gdkp cut its all near free.
Again the supply of what vs demand of what?
There is a supply and demand of gold in the ilicit rmt market.
There is a supply and demand of bis items which does vary slightly week to week depending on the lockouts players group into and what is needed.
There is a supply and demand of materials.
You need to be more specific.
Bots (from the start of vanilla classic) HAVE injected a massive amount of additional gold into the game. Likely most of them are just pulling it back out of the economy through consumables, mats, gems etc at this point in wotlk because that is a more effective way of obtaining gold to sell at this point. Sure its a low amount, but done at scale. Some bots sit there and just play the AH too.
Gdkps incentivize the bots as one method of making gold available to sell. GDKPs are the primary place gold is being spent because BoEs have very low value and demand compared to in raid BiS where the demand is high and price is high with floor prices being set and people bidding items up even if it is uncontested in a week.
Players participate in the selling side as well. Gaining most of the gold that they are selling via gdkps.
If there were no gdkps bots could continue to farm all of the same materials which would maybe have a similar demand if people that play gdkps on 3-10 chatacters (there are alot of these people) still raided that much and needed the same amount of mats but thats doubtful. Alot of those players hate many of their alts. The number of runs would diminish. The demand for mats would take a hit.
But then who is buying the gold? Where is the demand for rmt gold at this point? What can the gold be meaningfully used for?
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Sad Reality: A majority of the playerbase are either buying gold, or donât care enough to cancel their subscription in protest of other people buying gold.
Blizzard is not incentivized to ban gold buyers, because it would damage their subscription numbers more than only banning Bots.
If this werenât true, Bots would have no market except for the occasional whale that the community would point and laugh at when they tried to splash gold around.
People pay the exorbitant inflation caused by gold buying for AH purchases, which is more common than GDKP right now, and no-one calls them on it, meaning that thereâs no reason to crack down on it.
If you want a manual correction, put a cap on AH sales, based on the vendor price of an item.
The supply of the AH vs the demand.
You cant articulate with any accuracy how a gdkp market is, an item in a gdkp can go for 500g and in a gdkp thats going on at the exact same time that same item might go for 20g in that gdkp.
The premise that people cant afford consumes off the AH or anything else required to raid is stupid, gdkps dont influence those prices, supply and demand does.
Bots are farming 24/7, they are literally keeping the supply of consumables so low that just raid logging will make you more gold out of the raid than you spend on those items weekly.
We have all the evidence of this from TBCC and now WOTLK-C, raiding has gone down in prices going from Classic to TBCC and now to WOTLK-C, even thos the amount of gold on the server has always gone up.
Gdkps influence nothing outside of gdkps and even then you cant really put a pattern on it, i have seen stuff like DBW go for 300k gold and then go for 75K in another raid.
Highly contested hlk weapons, heroic trinkets, are an easy 80k to 300k. Low supply. High demand.
You clearly dont review gdkp legers or seem to have the slightest understanding of how they work.
Tier can still be 10 to 80k
Groups are constructed to balanc ean ability to clear with buyers that have money to bid on these highly contested items.
Shadowmourne is 250k floor price in nearly any gdkp where you have a hope at also getting heroic loot. Usually 500k floor price decent to good gdkps.
You just want to pretend you dont understand the gdkp market to make it seem like there is not a ridiculous demand for rmt gold. Which bots are used as one component fill the supply.
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That uncertainty on the price of highly contested items creates a higher demand. If you want dbw as soon as possible you might be inclined to buy 400k to ensure it. Never know if that guy that organizes 10 gdkps a week and has 10 gold caps is going to be interested on one of his 10 alts.
My guild literally runs the biggest GDKP discord in WOTLK-C, or very close to it, sure idk anything.
Those items are in gdkps, they dont affect players not doing gdkps, we are talking about the AH, if youre going to be moving the goal post allow me to get my boots on first.
You wont ever understand the market because items are worth different prices to everyone in the raid.
Literally just pulled up 2 payout sheets that i believe are the same day.
1 sells the shadowfrost shards at 10k each the other is 25k/ea
This is my point.
I have yet to see any evidence that the percent of dirty money in GDKPâs is greater then the percent of dirty money that is going towards AH stuff or Vendor stuff (mounts, runes, reagents. etcâŚ)
and if you bann GDKP you would have to ban other gold for services actions too such as paying somebody to come tank an instance or tipping somebody to enchant stuff for you.
This entire post has been about the idea of banning gdkps as a way to effect bots. Something i dont really agree with because i really donât care. I like to raid and do dungeons and this cluster fâd state of the game is perfect for me. Everything i could ever need and all i have to do is logon and blast.
Who is moving the goal post?
The market is indeed hard to predict. But people who are buy 100s of thousands of gold are going to overcompensate for the worst case in order to speed run to their bis.
Idc what your guild runs. Organizing gdkps doesnât mean you can wishwash your way around the fact that they are the primary place gold is circulating from rmt and nothing else comes close.
A demand for rmt creates an incentive for bots.
Gdkps create a massive demand for rmt.
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If every American was suddenly made a multi-millionaire over night, would there be inflation?
If the demand for an item is high wont they spend more now?
Things like GDKP raid drops. Consumables. BoEs.
All the raw gold funding RMTs does this. And those that dont partake pay more, and have their legitimate gold devalued.
Does RMT cause inflation? Do bots producing raw gold that otherwise wouldnt exist, cause inflation?
Does anyone in GDKPs buy gold? No one can deny that the last one is true.
For that reason alone, GDKPS should be prohibited. At least on one server.
The mage is biased because he is neck deep in GDKPs.
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Yes because of the new found wealth everyone has the demand for certain items would increase but the supply wouldnt.
For example everyone might go out and buy a luxury car, since the cars supply wasnt ready to handle the influx of the demand the price would go up. This doesnt translate to an MMO at all tho.
You really dont understand how this works huh?
Everyone in wow WOTLK-C is basically rich for the most part, consumes are like 9g/ea because of the over supply from the bots.
One day you will get this i know it.
No, because more gold on the server means nothing when supply is keeping upâŚsighâŚ
Heres a eprfect example of how inflation would work.
Everyone has gold, currently on WOTLK-C, now imagine poof all the bots are gone.
Supply will now diminish and since the amount of gold on the server was extremely high the pirces of goods would reflect that.
Until that happens no inflation.
Lets say GDKPs are banned what will happen?
Lets think about this for a second. The people will still want to get items so instead of buying BiS items from a raid they will buy Pre-bis items from AH to get into raid because they donât have time to farm random drop chance stuff themselves.
In other words Banning GDKPs did nothing but move the focus of where the money was going if money isnât already going to the AH from people buying gold.
Now Ban gold buyers, and sellers that will have a real impact on the botting front.
It is also my understanding that the majority of bots use paypal for whatever reason. Would it help the botting situation if paypal no longer was available as a payment method?
And why are the bots over supplying?
Could it be that multiple parties are botting at scale looking to syphon gold to supply some subset of rmt transactions?
Do people just bot at scale for the fun of it and the laughs?
What magical incentive might be driving this activity?
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These bots have more gold than gdkps could ever buy.
We both know that.
This gold has carried over for what now 5+ years???
They could prolly stop botting now and have more than enough gold to sell.