Agreed no one should pay sub fee to feel as though they are forced to play a spec/class they don’t want because theirs is so busted that you can’t experience the game. 2 more weeks on my sub, might be another extended break for me and probably permanent.
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I swapped to night fae to try fire and I hate it. I actually like NF for frost though, its great in M+ and we suck in raids anyways so I don’t really care. The extra blink is way more useful than door of shadows.
At least this way I can easily swap to fire if being frost for raid really becomes a problem.
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This is not the first time that frost mage has been in the gutter in terms of dps. Look at the beginning of Legion. The vast majority of the mages that played at the beginning of Legion were fire. I was one of the few mages that stuck out the entire expansion as frost.
I agree with you that the three specs you mentioned should not be where they are. I am currently playing as a frost mage and I am going to have to respec as fire. Thankfully I have a guild that will support me in that effort. I am not happy that it has to be done, but it does. I also agree with you that the nerfs were absurd.
I am not giving Blizzard the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the considerations. I only bring them up as a way to say the fix for frost mages, and probably some of the other specs, will most likely not be coming as soon as anyone wants them to. The changes to those specs need to be tested so that the specs you mentioned do not become OP later on or break something somewhere else.
I don’t like this situation at all but this is most likely how it is.
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more of the same You pronounce yourself an expert on the improvement data that’s out there. Good! I’m certain you’ll be willing to share the best SL Frost mage videos and sites you’ve discovered.
No but u can hoard anima in your pockets before changing (won’t be of much use anyway)
It kept the Meatloaf companion that has no covenant allegiance.
Conduits yes you still have them.
All legendary powers are not linked to any covenant.
Good luck
Pre-SL release everyone was saying arc would be top and frost would be second in terms of dps. Even popular youtube channels were saying fire was going to be lagging behind. Well that wasn’t true and now a lot of is that picked covenants or legendaries are left waiting for blizz to fix the class. Sad to see so many multi-role classes doing better than us consistently on meters. Don’t even get me started on trying to get into pugs as mage rn.
I am preparing for the inevitable swap to fire and dreading the soul ash/covenant/gear I have to reaccumulate. This blows.
Sure, but my point was they made several nerfs. The writing is pretty clearly on the wall for how bad performance is been. They could have reverted one of the many nerfs they made in beta to toss us a line. If it got out of control later, then they could walk it back again. It reeks of laziness more so than anything. Let’s be honest here, they’ve been exposed on countless times for not properly testing anything and every expansion beta, even when they have ample beta testers to provide the data for them, they drop the ball.
It’s not just classes, there are several covenants that are just flat out and objectively better. You know, the very thing Ion said they would pay close attention to. If you don’t play ret paladin as kyrian, fire mage as night fae, unholy dk as necrolord, balance as night fae, etc etc etc… you are just gimping yourself. The choice that was supposed to be flavorful, close in numbers, and give players an “rp choice”
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You’re taking this out of context. Read the conversation. It’s about arena. I don’t know where you got that I’m touting my expertise. You’re talking about PvE logs. I don’t care about PvE performance at all. You guys can whine all you want, but don’t go around saying it’s unplayable in PvP.
It doesn’t feel great, but it’s nowhere near unplayable.
Your bias is shrouding your reading comphrehension.
That’s why you are seeing sooooo many at 2200+ right now. Opopop
Fire just suits the meta more and works well with all the really strong melee classes we have atm. Xaryu and Raiku (highest player in the world rn) both say that frost is fine and can work in the right comps (Godcomp, MLx). They released a 1 hour conversation about Mages and their current state in PvP. Don’t take my word for it. I’m just an 1800 scrub.
If you’re stuck below 1500, it’s not your spec that’s the problem.
The real problem is frost has no niche. Fire is better in every aspect of the game m plus, pvp, raid. Find me a fight where frost is the best mage spec to play 0_0. it gets old to be bottom tier every exp
Frost mage is balls. I was going to switch to fire, but as a casual raider that is trying to keep up with dailies, the maw, Torghast, weekly’s etc…I am not starting over with a new covenant and having to farm soul ash for a new legendary, I don’t have the time. So since blizz has made it difficult to play another spec, I will stick with frost and wait for the almighty at blizz to look down upon us in pity and actually do something for us.
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I feel like this was intentionally targeted at me?
- I don’t play Frost Mage
- I don’t PvP often/nor do I care about rating (I only have done Arena when I’ve had to aka in BFA for an essence and a little bit in this xpac to fill in gear gaps).
- I’m solely going off of data. I could care less about what Xaryu says.
US Data
1 Frost Mages in 2’s 2200+
10 Frost Mages in 3’s 2200+
18 in 2’s 1800+
33 in 3’s 1800+ (compare that to the 323 Fire Mages).
To say that Frost is viable is grossly inaccurate. But go ahead and parrot Xaryu while you sit at 1800.
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You took this way too personally. If you take a look at everyone doing the complaining about frost performance in Arena, they’re generally below 1500 and have never broken above that. Yet they complain. Maybe learn the class a bit more before commenting how unplayable it is.
Yes, I will happily parrot the two rank 1 mages (one of which is the highest in the world and has won blizzcon) that had a constructive discussion about whether or not frost is viable in Arena. Mage spec is shown as the spec they logged off as. Mage spec on the ladder is shown as whatever they logged off as. Check arenamate. Same representation of frost mages as arcane above 2200. This isn’t including the mages that play frost when they play godcomp or MLx. You don’t see nearly the same amount of comments complaining about how unplayable arcane is do you?
Considering you yourself have said you don’t PvP, I don’t know why you’re even harking on my comments. Please show yourself out. Frost PvE is garbage. Frost PvP is playable.
ive pretty much come to that decision as well. ill just wait for blizzard to do something.
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Frost mage is a broken spec that needs fixing.
I don’t pvp except for those weekly quests which I wish weren’t in the game. Frankly I think pvp should have its own stats and gear entirely so that pvp balance could stop interfering with the rest of the game.
I do know that frost mage is good in pvp though cause oozex likes to come into every frost mage thread to point out that frost mage is good cause 2 people in the world are capable of succeeding on it.
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Yep, the fact that the nerfs to frost have not been reverted is getting beyond ridiculous. It’s not even a viable spec for mythic right now. Even getting a 99 parse as a frost mage, you’re more than likely sitting in the middle of the dps charts. lol. It’s clearly obvious that it needs a buff, so, blizzard, please listen and do something about it!!
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That’s not the problem. The problem is they hit like wet noodles even when they can sit perfectly still. They aren’t even good in cleave fights, where they should excel (with ice lance cleaving).
I don’t know about all the math behind that, but what I think feels bad for frost is two things. You spend a lot of time casting frostbolt which is slow and hits for nothing. If frostbolt was a faster cast kind of like scorch (but not castable while moving) or did more damage (by being affected by mastery for example) it would feel better to play.
And also, the payoff isn’t that great. Ice Lance doesn’t hit very hard.
Big ramp up, low rewards. FeelsBadMan
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I’ve been 2.2k+ several times. The spec is bad and not worth playing at a remotely competitive rating.
If Frost is so viable, why are you sitting at 1.7k CR with a 50% W/L?
The highest Frost rating is 2673, the highest Fire is 2963. If the “pros” can’t get Frost to 3k playing with other “pros,” how in the hell is a “good” player supposed to do anything with the spec? A 290 rating disparity is massive, and if extrapolated to players of skill levels below that of the “pros,” the issue becomes increasingly exacerbated.
The only reason Fire is able to push is due to Gpyro. With it, Mage would be dead across all specs for 98% of players/consumers.
And yeah, 2.2k+ on ArenaMate shows there are 19 Frost, 20 Arcane, and 2-flippin-45 Fire mages. If you can’t understand that there is a definitive issue with Frost AND Arcane, then you’re blinded by your own ignorance and blatant stupidity. Please, go back to college and take a stats class because you’re failing terribly.
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