We may of? I was Alliance back then but wasn’t on ED during Cata.
Remind me lol I’ve met so many people through the years shoot I can barely remember the people I met in the past week. 
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100% a fact!
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It was on… a different server. That’s all i am at liberty to say on this forum lol. I remember fighting against you, so we might have been on differentfactions. If you are the same person, we had many many 1v1 battles in tol borad :). You are a godly frost mage /salute
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Thanks! And this is why frost needs to be buffed!
I have a feeling I know who you are now lol. Fun times!
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Indeed! I’m glad you are still playing and that you are on Emerald Dream now! Hit me up on my Mage sometime (Aeonias) if you ever want to double-Frost it up in BGs :). I’ve been playing my Mage this expac
Isn’t your mage in TE? Ya sure anytime!!!
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Like who? The AWC players? Long time Rank 1s, who queue with other long time rank ones? Frost is under tuned in all content, yeah if you play with some of the best players out there I’m sure you can climb. But it’s a below average spec and being a contrarian is pointless when there is data that disproves your point…
Besides that, you’re at challenger and playing fire…what are you on about that “you’re making it work” ?
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Whoa! You are right! I just realized that. This is nuts, what are the chances? I’ll definitely add you ingame tonight!
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Take a look at Arenamate. They have matches played history and spec.
It’s not like it’s popular or anything, but people make it work. It is very much comp specific and there’s no way you’re frost if you’re playing RMP or with another melee (which are the top Mage comps right now btw.)
Raiku (2730 as of this comment) played frost at 2606cr on dec 13th.
Nukedxo (2490 as of this comment) played ~37 games as frost at 2417cr on dec 14th.
Dastion (2411 as of this comment) played 13 frost games as frost at 2411cr on dec 14th.
See where I’m going with this? People will have a preference. You can make frost work. Just because Venruki gave up on it doesn’t mean you can’t make it work. Hansol was making fire work back in the day, when everyone kept saying fire was garbage in Arena. Vanguards made Ret paladins work when rets were considered terribad. It’s not an excuse for being undertuned, but saying that it doesn’t work at all and you can’t play arena??? All i see is crying and no actual attempt at improving gameplay.
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It is a below average spec, but all i see is whining and complaining on these forums. Just because I logged off as fire doesn’t mean I don’t play frost?? I play with real life friends that have never entered arena or are completely new to the game (as tripple dps even). I got 1800 with some randoms for my 220 ilvl gear and didn’t care to keep going. I’ll get 1800 again this week and then tank again. There is no point climbing when I can’t play with my friends and I have no time for alts. What’s your excuse for being hardstuck 1500 as arcane/fire?
Also by “make it work” I mean I manage to play it without feeling like I’m gimped. I only play it in caster comps with consistently high damage pressure or with a healer in 2s. I never claimed to be glad or “pro”. I’m making it work for me and I feel no need to complain because I feel I’m just fine right where my skill level is. If you’re getting owned at 1500, that’s because it’s where you belong. Not because of your spec. Yes, if we were fotm, then it’d be easier to climb, but we’re not.
I’m not changing anyone’s mind here. I’m leaving it at that.
Yo Ooze, I need to know: Soothing Voice soulbind, please tell me it procs when we break our own roots via damage/shatters, and not just when they “expire” as the tooltip reads. I cannot find the answer for this anywhere.
Yo, I think it does. I haven’t really been paying attention. Will pay more attention to it and get back to you when I play tonight in about ~11 hours. If anyone else sees this and knows 100%, then please let Aeonias know!!
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You are the man, Ooze, thanks! I’m thinking about biting the bullet and just going NF tonight when I get home from work. I’ve been stuck deciding on NF vs Venthyr for days now… and i just cant help but feel that any competent team will insta-dispel Mirrors of Torment, which makes it a lot less attractive to me.
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What if I told you, you can make something work and still have it be undertuned? People played Marksman hunter to glad in BFA despite it being one of the worst overall specs in pvp. Does that mean they shouldn’t have “complained” or sought to improve how their class worked?
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I agree that it’s possible to have that situation - No, you have every right to complain about specific issues, but it is unreasonable to say that it’s “impossible to play” in arena because of the current state of the game. It’s hard, but not impossible.
I understand complaining about damage being low. About our CC not sticking because of all the ways to remove roots. About our CD’s being dispelled and about very specific gameplay things, like going from a class that could carry matches to a support class, being an issue. Although all those things may be issues, I don’t find it impossible to play the class in arena like many are saying. The ones completely quitting arena because “frost is unplayable in arena” aren’t taking the time to learn the ins and outs of the spec and what they need to do to be more successful.
So aren’t you acknowledging that everything a frost mage can do is currently being undone or otherwise being easily managed by making these comments?
It may not be impossible, but it sure as hell doesn’t sound like there is a reason to play it from a mechanical aspect if we pose no threat from our specialization.
*I am not overly familiar with PVP, but I don’t think I’m being unreasonable either.
TLDR: I never denied that frost mages are really bad damage in PvE. I don’t disagree with that at all. I just get annoyed when people argue that they’re garbage and useless in Arena when they can definitely be played.
Essay Portion (Why there’s a reason in PvP):
In PvP, you’re not trying to do the most damage you can all the time. Your goal as a Frost mage is very diff. You want to get CC chains going and blow everything you have in a “go”. Meaning… Use time to stack your icicles. Hold onto your Ice Lance procs. Get some CC, and if you have 2 or 3 procs + 5 Icicles, you have some pretty decent burst ready for when their healer gets CC’d. This burst is enough to help land kills, and with enough dampening, it will force people low.
This buildup time’s probably why some people may consider frost to be “slower” of the specs. It doesn’t fit into the instant melee “run in and blow something up” 3 min game thing that’s happening now, which is why I assume it has a lower pick rate. It can in fact work when your teammates are casters that like a slower game (boomkins, warlocks, shadowpriests + heals).
I’ve played with a warrior and Frost works, but Fire brings more damage a lot more quickly and warriors do enough to compliment that.
By being frost with those teammates, alongside being a bit harder to catch than fire, you also help peel these classes that don’t have a ton of escape. You kite, build up your burst, peel and use your teammates pressure to snipe kills with good polly setups. It’s what I mean by being “more of a supporting role.” You’re not the scary one on the team. You’re the annoying one that’ll eventually kill someone. Just gotta stay alive long enough to be the annoying one. That’s where kiting skill comes in. That’s how I think Frost works in PvP rn. Feel free to argue otherwise.
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I dunno if they can do anything to this if it’s not a design change. A damage tweak is not gonna help I guess since we can only unload our damage after casting a few frostbolts, and in arena, it’s hard to get frostbolts off.
But I’m just a casual. Will just git gut 
Being able to make something work doesn’t mean that it is fine lol. The only reason vanguards or hansol ever got noticed was because they chose to make specs that were objectively bad in pvp work because they wanted to. Those specs were still bad.
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Good post …
As a frostie, there are so many ways to sway team fights that I have a hard time agreeing with all the complaints. PVP frost does what it does as it’s all about synergy, not raw damage. Sorry for the pve crowd’s troubles but … /shrug 
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