Because you cant trust him in a group environment where death is permanent.
I agree this whole situation is blown out of proportion, but that’s purely because of the amount of visibility on it.
Defending pirate is crazy. Guy choked and instead of apologizing has just double, triple and quadrupled down on it.
Deserved ire.
I think that’s way too harsh…He might have made a mistake, you learn from things like this in HC, and you should be allowed to learn/grow as a player. But One thing about Hardcore, is that putting your own character in danger to save another, can and will backfire on you…and it happens often.
If he’s in a situation like that again, I don’t think he’d repeat the same mistake.
The death being permanent is why I think he made the correct decision to bolt outta there. Again, I think the gameplay theorycrafting is fun and a positive thing to debate - but I think the disrespect and people being mean is absolutely embarassing and unacceptable.
And for the streamers that are laughing about this and giving “Blood in the water” for the viewers…those same people being nasty to Pirate will turn on you in a second and try to ruin your life given the opportunity. This isn’t the type of drama that’s good for any of those guys tbh, because it empowers the wrong type of audience…and this damages onlyfangs - which IS NOT on Pirate.
You’d think these streamers and community members would be able to relate and empathize with each other - but nope…shows how fake some of these people can be.
It’s a mistake to kick him out publicly like that, period. Anyone who has been in a successful, long standing guild understands that imo.
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I dont think it is too harsh. To beat the dead horse even more, it’s not about the mistake. I fully understand that mistakes happen and dont blame him for making the gameplay mistakes. I dont really even blame him much for immediately turning and running instead of trying to do OP mage stuff.
I do, however, blame him for refusing to acknowledge that he could have played it better. He has maintained that there is nothing he could have done and that he is 100% in the right. While I dont fault him for not seeing this in the moment, he is capable of being armchair mages like the rest of us in this thread and analyzing his plays. This is why I, and probaby many others, do not feel safe playing with him because based on what I’ve seen he would 100% roach like this again.
Exactly, all he had to say was sorry at the end of the dungeon instead of being toxic. Somehow he was MORE toxic than tyler1…. How is that possible… also apparently he did the same thing 2 weeks ago in ashes of creation.
Hindsight is 20/20. I get that in that moment tempers flare, things get said… but after watching the clip and seeing he had options all he had to do was say “hey, I froze up and made mistakes. My bad.”
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Nah, it’s harsh and uncalled for.
I think that’s how losing teams handle situations. If you really want to talk about “accountability”, I think, the rogue, druid and warrior should come forward and apologize for messing up the pull instead of crying to the guild leader (in the fashion that they did)…and take some of the heat off Pirate. I would have immediately done that on the first day if I was that druid or warrior. Because it was completely their fault if anything. Yamato started shifting blame right away, while doing absolutely nothing to help.
I heal in higher end mythic+ in PUG settings - the stakes and anxiety are often high in a lot of the same ways your hardcore character is during a bad pull in a dungeon.
The good players on a team will immediately come forward and own the mistake - the worst ones start shifting blame onto others (which is what we see here - focused on a dps player running away, when you’re really skipping ahead 5-10 steps to poke at the guy you think should have done more to help).
Why would Pirate “Take accountability” when the 3 people who made mistakes before it even got to that point didn’t “take accountability” first? Why skip the 4-5 mistakes and players that made them (including the Rogue btw for making bad calls) all the way to the end, where Pirate made his? Like hello?? I heard blaming before I heard Ozzy go “My fault Sara, that was my fault bad pull guys”
Sure call for Frost Nova or blizzard, but the only one that did anything before that was the druid dropping a Target Dummy? What does Target dummy down in a dungeon mean? It means RUN AWAY. If Pirate was trying to roach, he woulda just hearthed…Now what really woulda helped is if he could have put a portal down or something after creating that much distance between himself and the group)…not sure if that works in combat but - that would have been better than him running all the way back and risking his character for a frost nova at low mana (that would not have saved anyone, due to the 3rd pack being body pulled by the druid). <—this is just us monday morning quarterbacking btw
Watch how those RWF guys play and interface (i love this word now 
) with one another. They wipe hundreds of times - know what you see? Someone makes a mistake and the good player immediately explains it to the shot caller and team, so that the team knows exactly what went wrong, and how to connect those dots for success.
This is also a leadership issue in a way, because the rogue did the correct thing which was approach the Warchief and explain what was happening - but if you watch his reaction, he dismisses it, laughs it off and, while i think it’s part of his show to come off as immature and cocky, he should be able to identify that this was reaching beyond the “script”, and getting serious.
This raid team is going to fail in molten core, if they even make it there with this attitude. Warchief(s) should have pulled each player into a chat, had each one explain their actions, and I think after hearing from everyone, Pirate probably would have taken accountability for his mistakes…because that’s what happens when you talk and work things out like a winner.
Communication is definitely one of the biggest challenges in warcraft, and this entire scenario is a good lesson in this.
I think you’re right that we are beating a dead horse at this point, so I’ll leave you with this…any mythic+ healer - who’s entire role is based around identifying and correcting mistakes, knows what went wrong, who’s “FAULT” it was (even if that’s irrelevant - see above statement), and how to correct it in the future.
so the title of this thread is correct - pirate did nothing wrong in game imo…But I think he should have handled it a little better by interfacing (there i go again ) with his teammates than getting triggered so easily at Yamato’s passionate/emotional response (the rogue).
gg guys - go agane 
- be nice, play like a team and look out for one another in Hardcore WoW. That is literally my tl;dr.
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What I am having trouble understanding is why this is such a huge deal. Pops had a run a few weeks ago, people are starting to hearth out. During that time a mob came by and started attacking. Pops had time to cancel the hearth and help, but didn’t and it resulted in a party member dying, and his reaction was ah well. How is that moment not a big deal, but Pirates resulted in harassment, and a gkick? My theory is people simply dislike Pirate and are using the situation as an excuse, and it was never about anything he did or did not do.
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yep just bullies on the internet looking for someone to punch…and unfortunately, Pirate is feeding way into this. He should be farming the drama himself if anything! 
never give a troll what they want - which is your reaction.
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His past caught up to him. Pops did that but he is usually a good guy ( usually) also we know he’s not that great of a player. Just as I said earlier, pirate did this same thing multiple times on ashes of creation and stop killing games. His stream was basically fake and so people are mad that he’s actually somehow more toxic than tyler1. 
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So what I am understanding is it really wasn’t what Pirate did in that run, just from the past is what the difference was? I was struggling trying to find out why that situation blew up vs other members.
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Here’s the deal. It’s HC and you lose your toon so it high stakes, no question. He was in grp with his fellow guildies, not a pug. The whole grp was moving to the exit together, calling for abilities, working together except for Pirate. Regardless of whether they made mistakes it’s his reaction to the situation that is the problem.
He has every right to roach out but you leave your friends behind and there’s going to be repercussions. He’s a Fairweather friend and should not be relied on for any further dungeons or raids. Under pressure his true colors came out. He didn’t care about the other 4 people in the group.
he wasnt kicked by the guild leader. guild leader was rational about the subject and didnt agree with the kicking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzK4OZjVapc
the guild leader was undermined and a few devious jealous slimy deceitful streamers got Soda to kick him while the guild leader was offline. can’t get anymore corrupt and dishonest as that. a bunch of subordinates purposely going behind the leaderships back to sabotage PirateSoftware… the jealousy and sociopath behavior just to steal views from someone who was clearly going to have a raid spot and having the most subs of all WoW streamers.
literally the reason he wouldnt go back in, they kept making more and more mistakes, they literally pulled over 15 mobs and a boss.
MAGE never put any of them in harms way.
You say that with a straight face, as they all left the healer to die to save themselves. NONE of them went to help the healer. Just used her for heals and roached out when she got heal aggro.
The called was made to run. He ran.
But if you watch the clip he drops blizzard on the pack before he starts to run. So he did try to help.
The shot caller made bad calls, hesitated, second guessed himself, and started playing the blame game before the pull was even done.
Pirate took accountability and has said more than once after the fact that he could have played better but for whatever reason, the dumpster part of the community seems to find that apology inadequate while simultaneously skirting around the fact that Pirate now has to defend himself from death threats.
He’s under a microscope and being held to a standard no one else is. There was less outrage when a guy intentionally wiped his HC Naxx group.
Yeah, with the benefit of hindsight there are things that could have happened but I honestly don’t know what you all expect beyond the accountability he’s already taken. Pirate was hardly the only player at fault and even if he played ‘better’- there’s no telling what the end result would have been.
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He didn’t, he continued to deflect. He didn’t do even the bare minimum to help. He was solely focused on himself. Like I said before, he has that right but the other side of that is, who wants to play with someone like that?
The fact he’s getting death threats is insane and dumb for sure. It doesn’t mean he’s absolved. The guy demonstrated that he can’t be relied on when stuff hits the fan. I don’t know the guy but after seeing how he reacted I would never group with someone like that and put my own toon at risk.
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it’s a fact that Thor has double the subscribers than every other WoW streamer, and 5 times the subs as most. Most of these onlyfangs streamers are the kind that think any attention, good or bad, is good. It’s clear that many of them are trying their best to get their communities to ruin Thor’s reputation as they hope they can leech some of his viewers away.
it’s absolutely despicable behavior.
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He quite literally says in more than one clip that he could have played better. If you can’t acknowledge that basic fact then this discussion is meaningless.
He said that AFTER his fall out, raging and absolute ego attitude and even in after that apology he said there was nothing he could have done in that situation. Incorrect. Multiple rank 1 mage’s have said he could have done something. A basic mage in classic would have known to frost nova here or poly the elite ogre. You are wrong. Even in the apology he was lying and switching narratives. He’s a liar. He’s not a good mage… and that’s okay.
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Didn’t read the entire novel you wrote, but I’m pretty sure the others all talked about their own mistakes in real time. They owned up for the bad pull. The only one who didn’t was the #RoachKing.
I’d group with the 4 others over pirate any day and that’s why he got kicked. He could probably have stayed in the guild but who would want to play with him?
I lost my warrior because I did a bad pull in BRD. I tried to pull one pack, but we got a patrol so it was scuffed. Someone said run, but the healer said fight which caused confusion and 4 of us died. I didnt for one second play the blame game. I looked at what I did and didnt do to learn what to do if it happens in the future. I took responsibility for my part of the wipe and guess what, the people I got killed for my bad pull added me as friend to go again. I doubt that would have happened if I had just said there was nothing I could have done.
People here are really struggling with the concept that he is being memed on not for his bad plays, but his attitude.
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Should also get one more thing settled with the group before you start. When the person in charge calls for “run out” there is no canceling it. No one gets wishy washy and go maybe i can save this. That gets people killed more often then not. After people start running you have no idea how many more side packs are gonna be pulled. Or how mobs are gonna path in absurd ways and bring even more to you. When they call run you are heading to an exit or hearthing.
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