Yes it is.
Just like Hunters having marksman as an option.
No it is not.
Frost is not Unholy.
Any literate person can understand this concept.
These people want to play as I said, UNHOLY.
That is NOT FROST.
So again. “Play Frost.” is NOT a solution for them. Because FROST IS NOT UNHOLY.
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I’d even go on to say play blood. It has the diseases spreads them like unholy.
So? I want Demonology Warlock work more with other minions more than just the Felguard.
Like I said, petless Unholy sounds as rubbish as petless BM or petless Demonology.
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And I’d like Metamorphosis Demonology back.
But I got nothing on how to add that without taking away.
Welcome to already sunk ship.
Don’t get me wrong, I want old meta back too. But it’s not gonna happen.
And we’ve already talked a lot about necrotic plague with unholy.
I believe NP is more likely to return than Old Meta.
I’d settle for ebon plaguebringer or the other passive that we used to have that would cause the disease to have a chance to erupt for its full damage (I can’t remember the name ffs).
Ebon Plaguebringer is a passive magic dammie increase iirc.
The latter is old VP before they removed it in SL.
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I think we may have derailed this 
Little bit.
Unholy is a pet class with the class fantasy of controlling armies of the undead.
We already have 2 of the 3 specs as non-pet specs.
Play Frost, or bark to bring back Blood DPS.
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If you are just getting rid of raise dead and doing a little something to dark transformation, you really arent getting rid of the pet aspect of the spec so its kind of pointless.
You still have apoc, you still have army, you still have garg, stuff to increase pet damage and you severely limit your options or make an option just infinitely easier to use like Dark Pact just radiating damage instead of having to actually position yourself for the chain to pass through enemies. Or you just increase the amount of wounds on the target from autos and autos from 2 passives and wounds seem like they arent a good damage source in the first place. Where is the flat % buff? Lone wolf provides it, the frost mage talent provides it, the warlock talent used to provide it just that it now does some crappy shadow splash damage.
Pet AI isnt that great, though I have yet to have anywhere near the same issues that other players have when controlling pets.
We already have a petless DPS spec it is called frost. Instead of asking for a complete rework of our class to suit your taste go play any number of other options you are biting from
holy crap, the dude just said “it would be cool if we have an alternative” and you guys are freaking out about deleting the spec
MM hunters have the lone wolf skill, his suggestion would be something like that
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And with or without lonewolf, majority of its damage does not come from pets. Unholy is purely about disease and minions.
Although, I can agree that we may have gone too far and this is just fun thoughts just being tossed out 
In an ideal world, there would be enough talent customization and enough talents/abilities in the first place to support building your toon the way you like.
Would be nice to be able to have a dot/disease focused unholy build, as it would be to have a more pet focused one (with more varied pets that can be summoned more frequently). I personally don’t think we have ENOUGH pets to unleash. I’d get rid of army, and make Abom, Garg and Shambler all baseline abilities with fairly short CDs - the damage can be adjusted accordingly.
You placate the “class fantasy” nerds while still having enough customization/niches for varied playstyles.
Again you are not listening and do not understand as I have said THREE TIMES ALREADY.
These are people that want to play U N H O L Y.
Not frost. Not blood. U N H O L Y.
And you should note I am not removing Army, or Apoc, Or the garg talent. So you’d still have those temporary at your side. This is because Some people do not want the Perma-Timmy.
Haven’t had those issues either but apparently enough players want Timmy gone. Or an option to play without. And you are right there’d need to be a flat % buff in Raise Dead’s replacement. I forgot how that would be there on the back end.
I see someone didn’t read.
I personally am fine with Unholy as is.
I am not asking for a complete rework. I am proposing an ADDITION.
Playing a different spec is not the Solution for the problem here. People want to play UNHOLY without their perma pet. They do not want to play a different class or spec.
Yes, thank you for being someone that gets it.
Ideally.
Just play Frost
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