Personal Loot was better in LFR

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

And none of them say what you said, maybe you should try reading it!

[Dwelknarr-lothar]

@Chadtauren-area-52

If you really truly believe that a system where a single person can get 2-3+ items from one boss is better (more equitable) than a system where everyone gets at least one piece per week from raid (in addition to the great vault) then you might just be Bobby Kotick’s burner account

PL never guaranteed anyone got an item out of a raid. The more items that drop improve the chances each player gets good enough rolls to win, but it was fully possible for you to full clear a raid and not see an item.

@Chadtauren-area-52

There are no “protections” in the GL system. I just saw a 499 evoker doing AFK dps win 3 rolls on a single LFR boss. How is that a good system?

• There are protections in the GL system. You cannot roll need on an item that you have the same item at the same or higher item level. So for instance, if I queue for LFR with heroic tier helm, I cannot roll need on a roll on the helm tier token in LFR.

• Anyone has the possibility to win multiple items off a boss. It’s perfectly reasonable to prefer each person to only be able to win 1 item off each boss, and I’m not going to say you’re wrong for thinking so. But from a pure loot chance point of view, any boss could see you walk away with multiple items.

@Chadtauren-area-52

I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that different levels of content can use different loot systems, but everyone wants to crap on personal loot because they seem to think it’s all or nothing.

This is unfair. A lot of people who advocate for personal loot make completely asinine comments about how it supposedly worked as the basis of the reason why it’s better than group loot. I will never try to tell someone who understands how personal loot worked that liked it better than group or master loot they’re wrong for that preference. But many times the things they claim about personal loot were just as bad or even worse at loot distribution for the argument they make that I will try to correct.

@Chadtauren-area-52

Anyone who ran LFR in shadowlands knows that I’m right and that there was BLP in the personal loot system.

There was no BLP system in Shadowlands personal loot. In fact, when most people try to explain how the BLP supposedly worked, they come up with something that is mathematically impossible.

@Chadtauren-area-52

Anyone who is running LFR now knows that group loot is garbage unless they’re just greedy.

Group loot gives better chances on average in LFR than personal loot because of the restrictions on need roll.

@Aliandrin-fizzcrank

I’m asking for a worse system because people abuse the better one and go into LFR and need on everything so they can ransom the loot to people who need upgrades, for gold.

@Aliandrin-fizzcrank

You didn’t read the post. It’s about ninjas needing on everything then selling the loot. And I don’t want to hear that ninja looting doesn’t exist.

This is the result of cross-realm gold trading, not the change to group loot. Personal loot would make this problem even worse.

@Chadtauren-area-52

People can ninja items by telling you to roll transmog and then needing.

Why would you believe someone telling you to transmog if you wanted to roll need? If you actively contributed to effectively passing on an item, it’s hard to claim that was a ninja.

[Chadtauren-area-52]

@Dumpsterhobo-proudmoore

It’s impossible to ninja loot a boss in a raid. As far is in wow

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

And none of them say what you said, maybe you should try reading it!

Again, if both of you share the argument of “everyone should take anything they can get their hands on in LFR and to hell with people who are trying to gear up” then my post isn’t really for you and nothing I say is going to change your mind. You’re both just greedy players and exactly the type of people who benefit from Group Loot and make people like myself prefer Personal Loot.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Chadtauren-area-52

You’re both just greedy players and exactly the type of people who benefit from Group Loot and make people like myself prefer Personal Loot.

Rolling on items you need isn’t greedy, and you do not understand how personal loot worked, so to say that you prefer it is absurd.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Aliandrin-fizzcrank

Show me the dictionary that says they aren’t.

Seems like you could easily shut the Snozster up by showing the dictionary that says they are. (Printed in blue obviously)

[Aliandrin-fizzcrank (Aliandrin)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

It doesn’t, and I didn’t start nitpicking. You were wrong from the jump by saying people were stealing loot and ninjas.

No, I’m not. And stealing doesn’t always describe illegal theft anyway. People can steal ideas or guitar riffs, for example. If you think it’s not wrong, that’s fine, but you can’t block the discussion with the “there’s no word that describes that behaviour therefore you’re wrong” card.

You’re now even saying that calling someone greedy, for needing items they don’t intend to equip and use, but to sell, is definitionally incorrect. It’s absurd and the “words mean exactly what I want them to and nothing else” argument is getting old.

[Chadtauren-area-52]

Blizzard doesn’t consider it “ninja looting” as far as their TOS and actionable behavior. That said, they also don’t consider camping “griefing” using the same definition and most of the community does. So regardless of what Blizzard’s official stance on it is, it’s not wrong to say that it’s ninja looting when that’s how the community sees it.

[Dumpsterhobo-proudmoore]

Well, don’t use words like “ninja” to describe one argument now you can say that they’re rude sobs…

But one can’t ninja loot in the world of Warcraft, it’s impossible…

And again, personal loot won’t solve your problems… and every Tuesday you’re guaranteed one piece.

[Chadtauren-area-52]

They are ninja looters. They are greedy. The fact that you defend them tells me enough about your own character.

I still got a piece on Tuesdays in Shadowlands as well as a much better loot system so that’s a non-argument.

[Aliandrin-fizzcrank (Aliandrin)]

@Dumpsterhobo-proudmoore

But one can’t ninja loot in the world of Warcraft, it’s impossible…

Then everyone should be happy that we’re using ninja to describe people who go into LFR overgeared, need on everything, and sell the loot to people who need upgrades, since the word ninja didn’t describe anything before, it’s perfect.

[Dumpsterhobo-proudmoore]

@Chadtauren-area-52

They are ninja looters. They are greedy. The fact that you defend them tells me enough about your own character.

Point out in any of my posts where I defended someone that needed on everything… ill wait

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Chadtauren-area-52

much better loot system

Personal loot did not behave as you believe that it did.

@Chadtauren-area-52

They are ninja looters.

They are not.

@Aliandrin-fizzcrank

Then everyone should be happy that we’re using ninja to describe people who go into LFR overgeared, need on everything, and sell the loot to people who need upgrades, since the word ninja didn’t describe anything before, it’s perfect.

The fact you need to make up entire arguments and opposed points to argue against is generally a good sign that you have no basis upon which to make your claim. Ninja looting used to be possible, it is no longer possible.

[Chadtauren-area-52]

You defend them by advocating for group loot to allow them to continue doing it.

[Dumpsterhobo-proudmoore]

Oh so you’re the type of person that. Equates if a certain short mustache person Owned German shepherds And if you own German shepherds, you must be that type of person too…

Not advocating for anything I’m just saying personal loot is not going to solve your problem…

And blizzard already has bad luck protection. You get the vault every Tuesday

[Xyrtran-medivh]

I used to have mixed thoughts about it… but the few LFR wings I did on DF and how people behave with it… I’ve complete changed my mind about it. Personal loot should be back. And I hope the people that is abusing it with malicious intent do get their toy removed.

[Chadtauren-area-52]

If I call someone who idolizes that German guy a word starting with N (not that one) and you argue with me that “actually technically that’s only a person who belongs to that specific political party that doesn’t exist anymore” you are defending them by obfuscating the severity of their behavior.

[Lysaani-runetotem]

LFR loot should work like LFR loot in Remix.

[Chadtauren-area-52]

Also, again, we had the great vault alongside personal loot. Personal loot would solve my problems in LFR, they did for years before people whined about having PL in guild raids and Blizzard made the stupid spiteful decision to implement group loot across the board. They could have left LFR how it was, how it works better.

[Dumpsterhobo-proudmoore]

@Chadtauren-area-52

Personal loot would solve my problems in LFR,

It wouldn’t there will be weeks where you wouldn’t get jack out of it.

Statistically, you would have a better chance With the loot system now.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Chadtauren-area-52

Personal loot would solve my problems in LFR

It extremely would not, you do not understand what the actual differences are between personal and group loot, you’ve complained about them removing bad luck protection that wasn’t a thing instead.