Nah they make more money off retail! After 2 weeks you will be back to one of the versions. You haven’t racked up all that played time because this game is just something you can simply quit.
Dude, stop trying to inflate your argument. Horde can use “third party software”. Horde absolutely use bots. Stop it. It’s really transparent. You really think Blizzard is going to read your post and think “omg, he’s right!”. No, not gonna happen.
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reroll or quit already
You’re trolling. I’ve already said, many times, that of course Horde can use the software. The software isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that the population imbalance together with the software created an unfair advantage.
Then fix the population imbalance. Period. Stop asking for fixes that won’t resolve the underlying problem.
My bad, I didn’t realize you posted the only workable solution to the problem.
We don’t “need” this advantage to win, we need this advantage because you’re leveraging our need for honor per hour against us by going on endless turtles. Defending is MUCH easier than attacking, so we need to play much better than you to achieve a quick victory. You can’t win by your own strength, so you just let Alliance give up because they need to get out quickly and get into another game.
As an experiment, I’ve led a few groups into a straight-to-triangle strategy and the result was always the same: 40 minutes match, Horde denied every objective in the game, Balinda alive, Galv dead, 5000-5500 bonus honor at the end while Horde has 1000. But we collectively agreed that it just wasn’t worth it, our honor per hour would be better if we just let you guys win when the rushing strategy failed.
So basically you didn’t “break” any premades, the premades let you win because we’re not here to prove a point, we are here to get 60k honor in 3 hours and get out.
We don’t “need” this advantage to win, we need this advantage because you’re leveraging our need for honor per hour against us by going on endless turtles. Defending is MUCH easier than attacking, so we need to play much better than you to achieve a quick victory. You can’t win by your own strength, so you just let Alliance give up because they need to get out quickly and get into another game.
As an experiment, I’ve led a few groups into a straight-to-triangle strategy and the result was always the same: 40 minutes match, Horde denied every objective in the game, Balinda alive, Galv dead, 5000-5500 bonus honor at the end while Horde has 1000. But we collectively agreed that it just wasn’t worth it, our honor per hour would be better if we just let you guys win when the rushing strategy failed.
So basically you didn’t “break” any premades, the premades let you win because we’re not here to prove a point, we are here to get 60k honor in 3 hours and get out.
While interesting, it’s not what I’m addressing. No where did I say that Alliance “need this advantage to win.” But it is an unfair advantage that could easily be fixed by allowing both factions to queue as a premade.
Yes, Horde can win against alliance premades. I know. I’ve done it. But that’s not the issue. The issue is the unfair advantage created by the population imbalance together with third party software. Whether or not Horde CAN win is beside the point.
There are other good reasons to allow this. Being able to queue as a raid doesn’t force us to rely on bots, allows premade vs. premade in AV (which sounds amazingly fun to me), and to queue with people you enjoy gaming with (which Horde can’t presently do).
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I wasn’t talking about what you posted. Of course premades are unfair. But so are 10x3 open world battles. If you want to have one you have to put up with the other.
Do I want this fixed? Well, yes, it would be ideal if my server wasn’t 85% Horde (according to wow classic population). I wouldn’t mind giving up on premades in that case, or even allowing Horde to queue together.
I wasn’t talking about what you posted. Of course premades are unfair. But so are 10x3 open world battles. If you want to have one you have to put up with the other.
Do I want this fixed? Well, yes, it would be ideal if my server wasn’t 85% Horde (according to wow classic population). I wouldn’t mind giving up on premades in that case, or even allowing Horde to queue together.
Thanks, and sorry for mistaking your reply. I really do enjoy AV. But I would enjoy it more if both factions could queue raids for AV independently of bots.
You wanna know what else is an unfair advantage? The horde outnumbering the alliance in all endgame zones and constantly ganking low level 50 alliance players to the point where they cant get anything done. Our queue times suck, but the trade off is that we dont have to corpse run 20 times whenever we go do BRD.
i ran in some premade groups. i have a question though…
what bots? the ones in discord to auto sort you when you !(avnumber) ?
im failing to see what bots youre talking about.
#No changes
Yes, bots like countdown bots. The bots aren’t the issue. It’s the population imbalance plus third party software (like discord countdown bots) that create the issue. I’m okay with Alliance premades. And if Horde could use countdown bots to queue premades also then there would be no issue. I would much prefer premade vs. premade in AV. Allowing us to queue as a raid would eliminate this issue and the need for third party software (like the discord countdown bots) which aren’t 100% effective anyways.
It needs to happen. Horde need to be able to fight the premades with their own premades. Alliance know what will happen if we’re allowed to group up and defend ourselves which is why they’re vehemently against it.
Y’all werent talking about balance and fairness when youre camping the guardless ships that are connected by Uncontested Zones in Phase 2. You werent talking about Fairness or balance when you out number PVP servers 3:1 and have every max cap zones locked down with ganking parties of 80 people+ making Alliance players quit from the obvious disadvantage of your numbers and your stronger PVP talents.
Chill out. Go Q for 40 mins and force a 50 min Turtle, you still get your honor. Just because your quality of life has changed doesnt mean its bad. You can go WPVP in peace. You will win your AV’s vs bad premades and Pugs lol.
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so good lmao that why alliance ask and cry for realm transfer and hide inside 1 bg and need to cheat and exploit , this look a lot more close of the extermination to me 
btw in vanilla faction balance are 70% for allaince and 30 % for horde , never ear horde in 2005 crying for realm transfer lol alliance are already dead they hide inside 1 bg this is all you have in the world and all the feature the game offer and you need to exploit lol
would you like a recommendation on youtube for an intro to punctuation?
First off, this will never happen, since it was not part of 1.12…
and even IF it happened, and a premade against premade was added to AV… horde using premades would sit in ques forever, since alliance have absolutly no reason to use such features… Every alliance that would consider it, is entering AV by single player que… and are already winning and cap out honor in a few days, with little effort, and can then take a break to make ques even longer for horde…
Whether it was part of 1.12 is beside the point. Current technology, plus the population imbalance, is circumventing the game mechanics. There’s no way to stop the third party software from doing this. So the game mechanic needs to change (in this case, the ability to queue as a raid).
The rest of your post is nonsense to me. Alliance players have every reason to use third party bots. Alliance wins more with premade than when solo queue’ing. And that’s beside the point (and trolling), since allowing raids to queue for AV doesn’t disallow people from single queue’ing.
We are doing nothing that wasent done back in classic, horde had longer ques then as they had now… people did use team speak and other mediums of the day…
And most off all, classic is as it is, warts and all, its not about fix things or balance it… you want shorter ques, roll alliance… you want to stop kiting paladins, then pvp and kill them… the choise is yours…
But classic is going to stay classic warts and all, i can asure you, IF blizz changes classic they will loose more players… and considering the dumpster fire retail is with 8.3 they better not…