Warlocks were an ever-improving class until WOD when they changed a bunch of stuff that didn't need changing and were a bit better when Legion rolled around. Warlocks are crap now. Despite decent standings on PVE meters for one spec (which, who cares, like seriously), the play styles for destro and aff are trash, and the pruning machine has cut way too deep. They finally made demo fun to play, and they can't even balance that spec's PVE DPS or any of the class's defensives for PVP viability.
i think throughout WoW history warlocks have received the most overhauls of any class. I thought they were fine in cata, MoP fleshed out demo and destruction a bit. I liked Malefic Grasp, it felt pretty good. IDK, blizzard changed it. Problem with affliciton locks is that raiders have ruined the spec
I really enjoyed spriest in cata, though I hear a lot of people preferred mop spriest. I didn’t play in mop though.
I remember before when spriests had baseline friendly dispel magic.
And I miss managing mana with masochism+ dark evangelism
Mind spike burst was fun too. And fade would clear snares+roots
Cata frost and fire mage were incredible.
MoP's Frost Bomb spec was alright when the damage wasn't absurd. Unfortunately, the instant cast spec later became the go-to spec, which was awful. MoP also completely obliterated fire. God, that spec was so ruined.
Everything regarding mage since WoD's launch isn't really worth mentioning. It's had some ok iterations in PvE, but that's about it. I can't comment on anything before Cata since I didn't play then.
sub rogue every expansion.
literally the only time i didn't like sub was during the start of legion when it was lolshadowstrike spam with nightblade being dispellable.
honorable mentions, I'd say:
5.4 MM hunter
MoP warr(after second wind nerf ofc)
cata fire
cata afflic(also liked wod aff)
wod shadow
lolnotbmhunters
Honestly think people shouldn't call specs perfect or near perfect if they've never played it.
Anyway for me cata sub rogue
Mop sub rogue
Legion DK, Paladin
Now everything sucks, even if it is good it still sucks.
WOTLK frost was superior to Cata imo.
Frostbolt did more damage and casting it was certainly worth more than ice lance spam was.
FoF affected 15% dmg on frostbolt as well as lance. You could be a bad mage and do 2x lance for mild damage or set it up well and do frostbolt-frostbolt-lance or frostbolt-frostbolt-deep if you could get chain casting for huge burst.
Impact stun wasn't a thing.
I thought wotlk frost mage was almost the most balanced spec that has existed. If you were really bad, you couldn't do anything with it.
I thought wotlk frost mage was almost the most balanced spec that has existed. If you were really bad, you couldn't do anything with it.
Ya. There were some pretty cool combos back in the day that were hard to pull off and like quadrupled your damage. It was all about shatters so it took a bit more coordination.
I know that when it came to duels in that time most mages would flop but you’d have that ONE mage on your server that could beat just about everyone
Whenever someone says cats sub, I can’t help but remember the damn daggers.
Leggo Daggers and Heroic Vial of Shadows...GG boys
11/10/2018 07:25 PMPosted by
Mathtwo
wotlk disc.
This.
Had mana burn, but also was the only healer that actually oomed, and mana burn ironically costed them mana... So if someone had solace or double solace or played an H Pal, you literally just oom yourself trying to oom them, and their regen was better than yours.
cata sub was the most complete and satisfying spec i have ever played
not only that but it was just some of the most satisfying gameplay IN GENERAL i have ever participated in over my many years of gaming
*wrath sub wasnt much different either so obviously a contender
Ive been assassin on my rogue since 2008 other than brief periods of combat just for leveling purposes and pve. Talking about so far back when there was actually talent trees and you could dip into more than one tree.
I rolled a rogue as an alt in 2007 and began to main one in 2008. The big change that created my favorite spec in the game was when Mutilate no longer required behind the target.
I had leveled as combat Swords and when I saw that patch note I decided to change to assassination. I used hybrid builds I found on roguerogue.com Akrios' website.
The original Wotlk Mutilate pvp build was not centered around using envenom which would later replace eviscerate entirely as the primary damage finishing move. Classic Mut Prep still used eviscerate. A later patch outdated the classic build with buffs to the poison talents in the assassination tree. Envenom replaced eviscerate. In PVP envenom was ignoring so much of the armor on a player it was said to melt plate.
The downfall of Muti was it had no mobility. This wasnt corrected until Mop and in Mop mutilate regained access to Preparation.
I really liked Mop Assassination it was just missing one thing that kept mutilate from being as viable as sub. You couldn't get away with using wound poison, there were no pvp talents deadly brew ceased to exist.
11/12/2018 03:19 AMPosted by
Fox
11/10/2018 07:25 PMPosted by
Mathtwo
wotlk disc.
This.
Had mana burn, but also was the only healer that actually oomed, and mana burn ironically costed them mana... So if someone had solace or double solace or played an H Pal, you literally just oom yourself trying to oom them, and their regen was better than yours.
Sorry the best part about mana burn was using it on Ret paladins
11/12/2018 05:24 AMPosted by
Myracle
11/12/2018 03:19 AMPosted by
Fox
... This.
Had mana burn, but also was the only healer that actually oomed, and mana burn ironically costed them mana... So if someone had solace or double solace or played an H Pal, you literally just oom yourself trying to oom them, and their regen was better than yours.
Sorry the best part about mana burn was using it on Ret paladins
Was far less effective against Pret.
Honestly WotLK was the best version of every spec "PvP spec" at that time. What I mean by "PvP spec" is back then there was only 1 truly supported and recognized PvP spec for every class unless they had a healing spec in which case there may have been 2. So these are the only ones I really remember a whole lot about but they were imo the best iterations of these specs to ever exist as far as PvP is concerned.
War=Arms
Hunter=MM
Mage=Frost
DK=UH
Druid=Resto
Pal=Holy
Priest=Disc
Rogue=Sub
Sham=Rest
Lock=Aff
There were other viable specs for these classes, but these were the generally accepted strongest "PvP specs" for them. I really can't think of any xpac which did it better for the above specs.
They all had so many tools and counterplay to them it's mind boggling when compared to the current state of the game. It was a time when gear still mattered greatly (and this is the only thing I don't like about WotLK PvP), but a great player could still get Glad or 2v1 in blues despite that (I specifically remember people on the forums linking alts of great players in blues asking how they are so high rated) because of how important and difficult it was to maximize everything your character could do.
4.0-4.3 Cataclysm Enhance
Wotlk Arms & s9 Arms before the intercept nerf
Wotlk Surv hunter & Ele shaman
5.3-5.4 MoP MM Hunter
MoP Feral Druid after treant nerf
Almost everything was fun to play before WoD, class design really hit rock bottom in WoD and continued to be bad in Legion/BFA. I really wish they'd just restart from an older expansion
As much as Classic is going to be fun, Wotlk is what fleshed out PVP and set the bar high
Wod feral was insane.
Also WoD feral was stupid, Mongo and skill-less. Claws of Shirv was basically a mandatory talent and it required you looking like a total idiot
Pretty much the MoP version of every spec, notably destro, mm, ww, frost mage
I thought WoD had some good specs too (ret and spriest).
Everything had a day in the sun from wrath through cata. In Mop, everything was fun imo just not as fun as it was during its hay day in wrath-cata.