They survived as a handful of refugees on the streets of Stormwind with nowhere to go.
Along with the other 2 statements, it does.
Uh no, she ended the Night Elves both as a nation and as people, then obliterated their souls and through bad and hateful writing, got glorified for it.
Yea, an interaction between abuser and abused, in which the abused will be forced to forgive.
Yet the Night Elf souls are still obliterated, and there’s nothing that can bring them back.
So you have not read Elegy, where it says they are pouring out of the streets and out of the city.
They even have a picture in that novella, for people who choose to ignore the words, such as yourself.
Perhaps those throngs of Night Elves may be a handful to a giant Titan like Sargeras… because he has big hands that could probably carry cities filled with people.
Uh, no, she didn’t. The kaldorei still exist as a nation and as a people.
They reclaimed Darkshore. They freely travel to Hyjal. And they were not wiped out.
To be fair, both short stories and the actual gameplay MASSIVELY contradict each other. Truth is we don’t know how many actually survived. For all we know it appears to be a lot because stormwind isn’t that big lore wise
Yes, that tacks with my point - it is fair to say we don’t know. We don’t know if it was 10% or 90%. The title of the thread is about percentages.
I can appreciate that the Characters in the Story are designed to have opinions and emotions. I can appreciate that a portion of the Player base had sentimental value in Teldrassil and some of the NPCs.
But those do little in the way of determining a percent.
We know the majority of the Eredar sided with Archimonde, Kiljaeden, and Sargeras - while a minority went with Velen and became Draenei.
I don’t think it has been stated that the majority of kaldorei in existence were killed in the War of Thorns and Teldrassil. I am sure it is a lot - but to claim it was the majority, we would need more information.
We know 90% of the High Elves were killed by the Scourge. We just don’t have all the information on the kaldorei, as far as numbers.
That is why I take issue with this :
I doubt that the percentage of Kaldorei casualties is as high as 90% just because compared with the pre-Third War Thalassians, the Night Elves have far more wide-reaching territory outside of their capital city and its immediate surroundings than the High Elves did. The pre-Third War Thalassian population would have been fairly concentrated to being within the borders of Quel’Thalas itself, unlike the Night Elves who are more spread out. The Night Elves were also able to successfully evacuate some portion of their Darnassian population to Stormwind, however small, while the Thalassians were trapped within their own borders and any effort to evacuate out of Quel’Thalas failed.
Don’t get me wrong, the War of Thorns and the burning of Teldrassil were absolutely horrific and devastating, but 90% of a large population being wiped out that quickly is an astonishingly high statistic, and the only reason I think it’s even believable in the case of the Thalassians is because so much of their population lived in the area that was invaded and they had no way to escape the slaughter. I don’t think even the living human population of Lordaeron could claim such a statistic from their losses in the Third War.
The thing about the Forsaken is that in theory they should have had a significantly larger population to start off with thanks to the devastation of the northern Eastern Kingdoms during the Third War, and from Cataclysm until she abandoned the Horde, Sylvanas was further boosting their numbers by using the Val’kyr to raise the dead. I agree that they probably took the brunt of Horde losses on a couple fronts during the Fourth War, but if they were starting from having a fairly large population compared to the other Horde races, they might still have a pretty big population even after accounting for deaths and Banshee loyalists. After all, most of the civilian population of Undercity was successfully evacuated to Orgrimmar before the city was destroyed.
Blizzard can’t even be bothered to commit to whether or not Gilneas has been partially reclaimed, which is quite annoying.
It’s hilarious watching you trying to minimize the death toll of the Burning of Tedrassil. This is trolling at the highest level and I applaud you sir.
She chooses to interpret Blizzard’s statement as the only Night Elves who survived were those who are not in Kalimdor outside of those left in Feralas and the Stone Talon mountain settlements. She insists that there are no survivors in Ashenvale or Darkshore. Or Teldrassil outside of those that were evacuated from Darnassus.
I would point out of course that there were enough evacuated from Teldraassil to fill up every availble space in Stormwind. I would estimate that the race did take a 90 percent hit in population, comparable to what happened to the High Elves in Reign of Chaos. There should be cultural afteshocks from so much death.
Azeroth is not a real, fleshed-out world, and we have no numbers. I think there are fewer Darkspear Trolls than there are Night Elves post-Burning.
That’s justt one tribe of trolls though. The Horde has at least two other tribes, the Shatterspear and those folks by Aerie Peak.
I mentioned the Darkspear because they’re playable. I wasn’t trying to say that Trolls were nearly extinct. They’re a small tribe, the Darkspear. I think the Zandalari are much bigger.
That assumes that the Forsaken were a very large portion of the Scourge that broke off but that was never really the impression given. They were a small fraction of the Scourge that was only able to chase off Arthas because Arthas was both weakened by Illidan’s attack on the Frozen Throne and the fact that Sylvanas had the element of surprise.
Everything since then has only made sense if the Forsaken were operating from a position of consistent weakness. Their reliance on Banshee possession and the necessity of allying with Garithos in WC3, the necessity of allying with the Horde and developing the plague in Vanilla, the necessity of bolstering their ranks with Valkyr in Cataclysm, etc.
I think that everyone tends to drastically overestimate how numerous the Forsaken were even at their height. Even at their maximum power they only controlled two settlements (Brill and Undercity) and a bunch of outposts on their frontiers.
The cathedral could hold no more refugees, not even in the darkest corners of its extensive catacombs. The inns had ten to fifteen in each room. Even certain areas of the keep were filled with silent, stoic kaldorei. The flood spread to seemingly every surface of the city, continued down through the Valley of Heroes, and spilled out most of the way to Goldshire.
That is not a “handful” the fact is, the number of survivors seem to be enough to fill Stormwind city itself, heck it is large enough to reach all the way to Goldshire. So, at the very least there are enough night elves to fill a city.
A city is a handful. That’s not much at all.
Considering the orcs/draenei are now down to one major city and several smaller settlements in the grand scheme of things it is still plenty.
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The settlements are only really small in game. There are clearly more orcs or draenei than there are Night Elves. Besides, Danuser said they were nearly wiped out.
And the draenei were nearly wiped out by the Horde. Hell, the gnomes probably have it worse at 80-90% of there people being killed off back in Vanilla.
Also, Stormwind is not some small settlement, it is probably one of the largest cities in-universe.
The reason that line was added was to prove the night elves were not nearly dead. That yes, Teldrassil was a massive tragedy but that there were still plenty who survived.
Correct, but that was many years ago.
I didn’t say it was. But the fact is, the Night Elves are nearly gone. And, they don’t “fill the city” as you claim.
You must one of those folks who thing that big empty Red spaces are more significant than densely populated blue spaces.
Cities are what make large populations possible because of the efficiency of utilizing resources to grow and sustain a population. It’s the founding of cities which marks the beginning of Humankinds logarithmic growth in population.
The area of New Jersey where I live is the most densely populated area of the United States It houses 16,000 people per square mile. as opposed to 286 per square mile in Ohio.
If you want someone more current we could all talk about elves and seemly how Kael kept harping about how they were the “last of their line” and yet still managed to muster an army anytime it is needed. The orcs also dominated an entire planet once and now look at them, down to one major city-state as well.
Your right, they don’t just fill the city street, there was so many the flood of refugees reach all the way to Goldshire.