I know most of them are on record saying that think addons are a problem and the game shouldnt need them, so even if they do use them they don’t want to.
No.
My addons are for qol.
Yet many will break with the update.
Its not just combat addons that are going to break fyi.
Less enjoyable for sure.
Calling you clueless because you’ve lost all sense of reality does not make me a doomer.
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man, this is getting depressing.
I’m sure they think some of them are a problem OR, the argument is “the game shouldn’t need them because Blizzard’s interface should be designed better to the point that players don’t need them.”
Well the game’s UI isn’t designed that well and probably never well be, therefore many players do feel the need for them.
In an ideal world if Blizzard offers comparable alternatives then fantastic, bring it on! With the few very poor showings we’ve gotten so far that is looking incredibly unlikely.
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What do you mean by asking if I did rely on them to play?
What kind of question is that?
That depends. Today, it is nearly impossible to play at at least optimally without them.
Optimally. I’m not even saying on high level.
Perhaps if you’re doing only delves, world content event and LFR (where ppl are literally carried by geared people), maybe you don’t need it.
You really have to not do any content, at all to say something like that.
This is interesting. The allegations that they need to make everything is more difficult is because of the existence of Weak Auras and addon capacity that exists.
So, this is not me saying that they are required and needed. Blizzard themselves acknowledge that you need it. If you don’t play at all anything besides delves, world events, and LFR, you probably don’t need it. at all. But everything else that starts having the slightest difficult, it is designed around having that:
- Babysitting buffs and debuffs
- Managing 3-4 different resources (Blood for example there is 1 that is not even tracked in the Resource standard UI)
- monitoring other people’s cooldowns to make decisions
When you ask this question, it tells me that you actually haven’t learned how to play the game, at all. I’d call you a troll, but to me you’re just a naive debater trying to make a point about a topic that goes way high over your head.
That depends on what you’re asking.
- Baseline UI vs ElvUI?
- DBM x without DBM?
- Weak Auras vs without weak auras?
Most of this information is available in the game. Just not in the same place. So you have to have a sharingan to look at your buffs and debuffs (which by the way are not static anymore and mostly dynamic in order), then look at your bars and look at your character unit frames, and at same time, you have to keep a look at the enemies to see what they’re doing, react to casts, move around when needed.
See where I’m going when I said that makes things very non-optimal? The higher the difficult (normal, heroic, mythic), the hardest it becomes.
I could go on, but I hope that I have offered some perspective to someone that has no clue about the problem.
Unreal… you are admitting to using addons to not suck at this game. Well buddy blizzard is making it so you don’t have to use addons because the game will be simpler. If you didn’t use addons I would take you serious
Well, the alternative would be overwhelmingly sub-mediocre like you. I’d not even play if that was the case.
But I’m not mad at simplifying the game. I’m always on for it. If you still don’t understand the problem, well, I’ve said enough and there are enough threads about it.
Why would teens ever want to play a 20 year old game that requires a sub? And with old (charming) graphics.
You are just mad and pooping your pants, actively, right now. I was responding to op’s assertion that people have not learned to play this game in 20 years. If anyone is clueless it is you. Take a step back, take a few breaths.
And blizzard is trying to make it so you will not need these outside tools to accomplish that, your response is to say “no, I want outside tools, I dont like change.”
Keys, raids, and pvp. I do all of it, some more seriously then others. I used addons for it, and am more then happy to see them go.
And again, they are literally saying they are trying to change that, and you all poop your pants about it. They are cutting most of those buffs you needed to track and putting that power else where, they are bringing in game tools to track things and change name plates. Not as involved or invasion, but bu redesigning classes they are trying to make it so they wont need to be as involved.
Again, once more all this is being looked at as a issue and they are trying to fix it, and yet again, the collective response is to get mad. Look, you can be mad, but this all has needed to happen a LONG time ago.
this game has a cartoonishly stupid amount of abilities. 90% of which you only need for some stupid situation in pvp maybe once every 40+ games.
People always whine and complaning about removing ridiculously redundant skills that do 99% of the same thing with a slight variable as “skill” while they stand in the same place playing turret defence, tongue slightly out their mouth as they stare at the keyboard mashing away on their 44 keybinds.
If rather have 4 skills and much more focus on interrupts, positioning, and teamwork than 440 random abilities tied to 37 keyboards with a 20 man team in my bedroom needed to do anything with.
Its the reason i keep quitting this game, I cant be asked to care that much anymore, its obnoxious to deal with over 30 keybinds. its terrible design. always has been.
Theres no reason every class couldn’t competently fit within 10-20 keybinds absolute maximum. I genuinely dont know how hunters or druids do it, i cant be asked to care enough. I quit my rsham the second they wanted dps with heals, not because i dont want to dps, but because im not binding that many keys. fury already gave me carpel tunnel, thanks. As much fun as it is to try to map my 88 key MIDI keyboard to wow, no thank you.
They almost never had been loyal too their veteran customers/playerbase who were kids growing up playing WoW from Vanilla all way today, even our parents used too play but they left/gone when Blizzard constantly threw garbage in their icecream bowel like grinding, bad borrow powers etc.
I want my accessibility in order too personalize how I want to set up my game. I don’t want that crap utterly nuked from orbit and told me to eat the garbage via their bad damage details, UI etc. Like great I guess I can’t see what the hell is casting in middle of huge M+ pulls.
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I’m one of those loyal players that has paid all those years and I’ll still be here in Midnight. I’m good with the direction. I’ll be good at the game either way. Rock on Blizz.
That’s at least contradictory, don’t you think?
“hey don’t worry, I’ll simplify everything so you don’t need them, but I’m also taking it away”. Doesn’t sound trustworthy, would you handover your gun to someone holding at gun point?
I don’t trust that they’ll make something really simple that we don’t need all of this. In fact, it looks exactly going in the direct opposite way. They’ll keep the complexity or shift it to something else. They’re making your character less relevant in terms of playing so you can play their puzzles. They’re not removing the puzzles. They’ll just make it harder for people who are not very active in comms doing it.
Do you even pug? I do pug mythic+. I don’t think they’ll simplify to the point that I can play without monitoring my team mates cooldowns. And I’m a tank, I can’t begin to imagine the hell that will be for a healer!
I’m sorry but I don’t believe that you do at any level that you would actually accept the way they’re doing. You’re not offering any credentials to support what you’re saying.
My buffs are all still there.
I still have Coagulopathy on 12s.
I still have Icy Talons on 10s duration.
I still have diseases in the targets that if I’m playing SL will be consumed once one of my buffs falls down and I’ll have to know that they have fell off so I can reapply it.
This is very centralized today for me. Without WA, it will be all over the place, because this is not a cooldown I’m managing.
I doubt they’ll increase the duration to be any closer to anything that doesn’t feel like I’m babysitting them.
My brother: when you fix an issue, you fix it, you don’t cut the legs off someone and say “I’m resolving a problem”.
You do fix. You do implement the changes, and show that you can actually do it.
Then you proceed to actually change, if needed, to reduce the addons.
And I’m talking about combat only.
You have no idea about UI and all other stuff that is just purely convenience that makes the game more fun for me, and will require me to navigate through many menus to get the information available.
Maybe I’m being too dark about the future, but the way things are going, I’m seeing a lot of what I do have today being taken away without the slightest being given in return.
And believe when I’m saying it: this is not just me.
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The garbage they implement none of it is as good as what the addons have given. Example Hekili rotation works way better then blizzards built in garbage that isn’t even right on rotation. I’m sure all their stuff you won’t hardly be able to adjust and will take up your whole screen cause blizzard dont know how to build a decent UI. Plater nameplates are far superior then what they are wanting to bring in with their name plates. It’s just a bad terrible idea after 20+ years to change it now people always could or couldn’t use addons and it should still remain a choice. Even though some are required for good reasons by certain guilds.
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I can honestly say I really no longer do. I absolutely did for years, but I’m getting old now and my identity is no longer entirely wrapped up in this game. It would be one thing if it was actually competitive, but it’s not. There’s still too many advantages given to time spent, premades, and rng. I can’t take that seriously anymore
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This is unironically true, Blizzard own abilities tracking thing is really bad too point it looses a huge chunk of DPS % versus other addon like Hekili does or what Warrior addons does as well.
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What are you even talking about dude? This doesn’t even make sense as an allegory. They are simplifying because their game required a spread sheet to play optimally. How are they demanding your gun while holding you at gun point?
“You’re experience contradicts everything I believe, there for you must be lying.” Sure bud.
Yeah they are adding tools that can help track that, though personally I could track that anyway. It isn’t that hard to get into a rhythm. I am sure this is all so much easier for you with WA but WA 100% has been a blight on encounter and class design.
They are fixing it, too many buffs to track, too this, too much that, I need third party software to track it? The solution is obvious, cut all the moving parts down so you can track them without WA. Make your game have some of those tools.
As far as the Ui goes, had it, dropped it fine. Never liked them to begin with. This is basically the gamer version of telling me you have soft hands. I know what we are losing and we will be fine.
I can’t sit here and say with certainty that this is just people bucking against change because they are comfortable with how things are now, but thats how it reads to me. There is no doom here.
It’s time to learn to play the game without all this stuff, trust me the game is changing in a way that will let you. I am doing it right now before the big changes even come. Even if you refuse to believe it.
I mean, you are acting like some addons haven’t become integral to how players play. And i don’t think i’ve heard anyone complain about addons, like, ever. At most you needed DBM to raid, and do dungeons.
It’s not crazy to wonder if WoW will bring back every single functionality of that ONE addon. And that doesn’t include bag addons, auctioning addons, elvui, vuhdo. And that doesn’t included things like WeakAuras, that had so many uses and customizability.
And now WoW Staff are telling us that they’re doing away with it all. Only communicating that ‘design addons are still ok’. With no communication on which addons functionality will be kept, which will be removed. Only that they won’t be able to read any battle information.
Maybe WoW should take the freaking out from the community and use that as an opportunity to communicate with us about what functionality will be overhauled, what will stay the same, and what is going.
Telling people that they shouldn’t be worried about major changes with no clear communication for a system that that will impact everyone person differently. Personally if Vuhdo & DBM are impacted it will severely impact how I play the game. And I currently don’t raid or do M+. So i think people are allowed to freak out in this situation…
Lol the forums loves blowing things to the furthest proportion of normal possible. 2 button specs. Come on. They are just removing excess and redundant CDs
The dramatics are almost oscar worthy.
This is a weird analogy because It’s more,
They knew they were going to bulldoze your house in january, they told you about it since July, but refuse to show you any directions or plans for the new house.
they TELL you it’s going to be a nice house, and will have your favorite rooms, that you can still paint your house however you want. But don’t really have anything to show for it.
Which worries you that you might be homeless in January. (Which is a valid feeling)
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