He’s saying reports are automated which is true, he’s saying RMT is tracked which is true, and he’s also saying that GDKPs aren’t P2W which is true as well.
YOU just have a problem with reality it looks like.
What are you talking about I’m obviously not saying it’s bulletproof don’t be stupid.
If you want them to get rid of rmt they would need to actually hire GMS and not try to keep the whole system automated.
I was commenting on how dumb it is to talk about gold laundering because you can’t actually do it.
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Again, it doesnt matter if they can track it or not. That is not in question…we know they do. The question is will they action the gold down line. Once the gold is no longer going to be removed in a purge its effectively clean.
This is why i said its semantics…
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That’s blatantly false. Once the gold changes hands through non rule breaking means, it has been laundered and will not be touched. Your gdkper buys gold and then spends 25k on an item, the gms aren’t going to remove the 1k/player split from the 24 other people. It’s now considered “clean” gold and is now part of the overall economy.
No doubt… Some of them even get orange text for actively destroying the game. As if we needed more proof the community council was a sad joke.
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I’m not sure how to tell you this but if someone sells you gold that gold is effectively dirty on the very principle that it was sold, even if it was being farmed by playing by the rules (and it probably wasn’t if they’re actively selling gold).
So if you succeed in selling it and not getting caught that gold has effectively been cleaned because it’s been injected into the system. The problem with gold and WoW is that, as you say, everything is recorded, and they have automated systems like Warden. That’s why if you buy a large sum of gold they don’t just mail you it; it’s going to get flagged. They’re going to do things like buy auctions from you so it looks legitimate. Even if you get caught the timeframe for being actioned can take a while which means you have time to use that gold and further inject it into the system and at that point Blizzard isn’t going to be clawing back the gold from all those people caught up in it.
This is what people really mean when they talk about laundering gold into the game, and if the gold seller is good at it they aren’t getting caught regularly because they have ways to transport the gold to their buyers so they aren’t flagged regularly because if getting action was guaranteed no one would be doing it. The fact that everything can be tracked and can’t be hidden is irrelevant to the discussion. Real world laundering can’t hold up the scrutiny either, that’s why they do it in ways that make it difficult to notice at a glance.
The way I’ve seen someone make 50k was smart.
When SWP trash thing was a thing, I’m talking about 3 tanks, healers, DPS, etc not the new mage / priest thing
There was a Druid that would play all day. He was very smart and would bid on BOE patterns and combine that with playing at weird times during the middle of the week early in the morning he was buying things like Khorium Battle Plate for under 10k and would flip these items in the AH.
Other blacksmiths ingame can make money by chasing patterns down
But, besides these few examples most of the gold obtained is very suspicious…
However, if anyone has ever played other online games before you had me at 15 years old like a loser doing nature runes in RuneScape for 37 million experience and made like 2.5 billion gold something crazy like that
If someone is used to games like RuneScape, it’s also very believable that person has patience to grind
This is what you call a paradox. Saying you need resources to solve a problem and then claiming it isn’t an issue. Sigh…
You’re confused or obtuse. Either way you’re wrong. Blizzard has ZERO authority on what I choose to web search. To imply that they do in any sense is beyond insanity.
The point was it gets either flagged when you receive it or it doesn’t.
There is no need to try and clean it, if it was flagged you’re getting the items taken away and suspended, if it wasnt flagged you already got away with it and you don’t need to clean it.
This is the point I’m making.
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It’s not impossible or even that hard to farm significant amounts of gold. It does however, take significant amounts of time in the aggregate…and the likelihood of players swiping vs spending those significant amounts of time increases with the amount of gold.
Like I’m currently making 1100+g a day, but that’s having 6x xmute alchemists, and then doing IQD on 3 of them (it will be all 6 by the end of the week), AND THEN spamming jewel crafting as well. The vast majority of people aren’t going to put 3-6 hours into the game every day
My guy, if you don’t get flagged you’ve cleaned it.
The gold was already cleaned my guy, they sold it to you, clean.
You’re trying to hide the purchase. Do you not understand how this works?
It’s impossible to sell clean gold because the mere act of selling gold inherently makes it dirty. After that it’s up to whether or not you get caught. Moreover, the gold sellers have likely obtained their gold through illegitimate means via bots which also makes the gold dirty on top of that.
But hey if you’re openly admitting that gold can be cleaned then I guess you agree that gold can be laundered.
Explain to me how trying to hide the purchase is not exactly what money laundering is.
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How are you this confused?
It doesn’t matter if you launder the gold it either got flagged when you bought it or it didn’t.
If it got flagged then you went into a gdkp and you bought three items congratulations you just handed gold to everybody that you paid for and you got suspended and then lost the items you bought.
If you buy gold and it doesn’t get flagged it’s already cleaned you don’t need to do anything there is no second step when I’m commenting on is people saying that they needed a second step to clean the gold through a gdkp.
The player buying the gold isnt clean. The gold is whats clean and in the system.
If there is a means of laundering gold, there is a means of transfering it out clean.
Right, this specific point is where the gold is getting laundered. Because the seller has to get the gold to the buyer in a way that doesn’t arouse suspicion. They tell their buyer to COD them something, they buy overpriced auctions, they mail directly in less suspicious amounts, etc. Whatever has the lowest chance of being caught by any system so their buyer hopefully doesn’t get flagged. That is the laundering process.
I actually don’t know if Blizzard takes away items to be honest. The question gets a lot more complicated when you have 25k gold on you that doesn’t appear to be purchased, but also bought 25k and spent 20k in a GDKP. My inclination is to believe they don’t clawback purchases either, at least not 100% of the time.
Hell, I got banned in MoP for a boss strategy exploit and I was told I would lose the piece of gear I bonus rolled as part of the ban. Logged in and still had it.
I would pretty much agree with this. After you have it if you didn’t get flagged you don’t need to keep making additional steps, if they’re on to you at this point additional steps probably won’t help you. Although I don’t really think anyone was trying to argue that buyers need to clean their own gold after they buy it anyways.
The gold sellers themselves might be doing extra steps within their own system though before they ever sell it to you in an effort to slow down Blizzard. When you consider they have millions of gold on standby ready to be sold it’s pretty incredible to think how Blizzard can’t find where all that gold is to just immediately ban. It’d be either sheer incompetence (which is probably part of it) or it’s far more complicated than illegally farm gold > stockpile > sell when able.
The gold was already cleaned and on the server.,…
What is being said in this thread is that gdkps clean gold and that’s not how it works.
What makes the go dirty is giving it a monetary value and selling it for money.
99% of gold sellers just mail you the gold friend.
They 100% take away items.
People I’m my guild have gotten epic flying unlearned along with crafted gear. Because they bought the gold and used the gold on that stuff.
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Well, I’ve heard some people talk about how gold sellers use GDKPs to hand out gold to buyers. So if they use it in that way then yes you could be cleaning gold via GDKPs.
For people who runs into a GDKP with bought gold the problem is just that all that bought gold continues to get injected into the game into the hands of legitimate players and that impacts the economy via inflation because all the legitimate players are raking in gold that they aren’t ever asking questions about.
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