People be playing FFXIV too much, healers dont dps in WoW

[Raiimir-stormrage]

Yeah, I’m gonna go with r/ThatHappened.

[Merpish-sargeras]

@Raiimir-stormrage

What type of content do you heal where there’s no downtime ?

I think it’s a combination of a few things:

1. I think it’s pretty likely they are playing with bad players. Players who cannot stop taking avoidable damage
2. There is a lack of understanding of damage patterns, leading to the constant feeling that you must keep your entire grouped topped at all times.

Good healers are not fully topping their group all the time. If there are no damage events occurring, you really don’t have to top your group up. if 2 dps are sitting at 70% health, unless some big mechanics is going to come out, they probably aren’t in that much danger.

[Crapula-black-dragonflight (Crapula)]

He has something of a personal goal to see how much of his gear could be off in LFR jailor and get away with it. I think his record was 5 pieces? Not sure on that. He has been kicked from some raids but mostly people are silent.

He certainly cares less about the key than he does the fun of it.

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Svelte-maelstrom

I go out of my way to complain about people saying that there’s no reason to take a beneficial action in a group–

So no, you don’t actually complain in game either.

@Svelte-maelstrom

Please answer the question:

are you the guy at my office who says “that’s not my job” when I ask him to help me accomplish a task that we both need to accomplish in order to get home on time that day?

You know what, i skipped this orgrinally because it was hyperbolic, but i’l entertain it.

In that context, No.

But i think it’s interesting you bought it up considering… that you know, the opposite of that person exists? The person that dumps all their workload on another person, expecting them to do it all for them? And they take the day off, and always have an excuse for it?.. Even you know for a fact their most likely waiting for a video game to come out on that day their taking off?..

@Anxxy-area-52

I think the dude spam heals regrowth or something on the full hp tank to make sure that when he takes 10k dmg the tank will be full hp again

_{Oh no, this person who plays a healer, heals. What a horrible night to have this curse. /s}

@Anxxy-area-52

maybe this is why he can’t dps in the middle of the pull, he’s spending all of his mana overhealing

Ironically enough, My Monk still heals even near 5% of mana. It’s a reason why that monk is my favorite healer.

@Anxxy-area-52

The only thing I’m seeing here is–

Is you not actually complaining about healers not healing in normals?

@Svelte-maelstrom

The thing is, though, it’s not a simple yes/no answer.

You think it’s not a simple yes/no answer.

You either complain ingame about healers not DPSing in Normal, or you don’t.

@Svelte-maelstrom

Do we complain and throw a fit in a RDF group? No, probably not.

Okay, So that only tells me you don’t do that with Healers not DPSing in Normals then.

@Svelte-maelstrom

I don’t always agree with Anxxy and Raimiir but they don’t give that vibe.

Well of coarse they don’t do that because one of them actually admited to just being okay with healers DPSing in normals.

@Svelte-maelstrom

Do I, as a healer main,

Well that’s convenient to bring up now… /s

@Svelte-maelstrom

No one likes the kid in the group project who does the least amount of work, even if you got the project done and turned in on time without him.

…But the DPS that wants the Healers to DPS while the same DPS who don’t CC, or anything because “It’s not my job”, totally fine apparently. /s

You want to know what makes a good human? Honesty.

@Svelte-maelstrom

Our problem, here on GD, is with people who put their fingers in their ears and yell YOU CAN’T PROVE THERE’S SOMETHING MORE HELPFUL ABOUT BEING HELPFUL THAN THERE IS ABOUT BEING LESS HELPFUL THAT’S JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION MAN because it’s childish, lazy, and downright goofy.

You know why people call them opinions? Because “Facts” “Truth” and so on are so misused that people on GD don’t know what’s factual or true anymore. Plus, those people aren’t saying “You yourself as a healer, can’t DPS”. Nobody or a minority of people has ever made such an argument.

You want to talk about childish, lazy and downright goofy? Why not you start with some of the pro-healer DPS people on this thread here?.. Or are they okay with you because you agree with them?

I’m okay with Resh here despite the fact we clearly disagree on this.

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Crapula-black-dragonflight

My friend tank starts taking off his gear until the healer has to start working for it.

Tbh, if i were a healer, i would stop healing that tank if their doing that. Regardless if i’m DPSing or not.

[Anxxy-area-52]

Bro I don’t care about normal dungeons vs mythic keystones. dps if u dont have to heal so that you don’t look like a flopper out there waddling around doing nothing while the group dpses

[Jinday-ravencrest]

Pretty much this “healer needs to do damage” came from FF14 players

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Anxxy-area-52

Bro I don’t care about normal dungeons vs mythic keystones.

Okay, so you don’t complain in normal dungeons about healers not dpsing then. Glad we settled that then.

[Anxxy-area-52]

I complain if a healer is wasting globals all the time, correct. I don’t care what type of content we’re in. stop being lazy and fill your globals with something meaningful that makes the group have an easier job.

I’d expect someone to tell me this on my healer too.

[Crapula-black-dragonflight (Crapula)]

I’ve never seen a healer notice that the tank is more squishy on the second key, only that they don’t really want to do a third.

Why should a tank be taking care of their mitigation and keeping their dps up, dps using their survival cd’s and self heals… if the healer is only going to heal? We all have a full toolkit for a reason.

[Mohz-kelthuzad]

I refuse to let my healers DPS.

I’m a hunter, once my pet has growled the enemies away from the tank, I can mend my pet to heal them.

That way both the tank and healer can take some rest while I’m being awesome at everything.

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Jinday-ravencrest

Pretty much this “healer needs to do damage” came from FF14 players

Got to love that “Everybody has all jobs” meta, am i right? /s

@Anxxy-area-52

I complain if a healer is wasting globals all the time, correct. I don’t care what type of content we’re in.

Okay, so you do. Why that angers you to know that Healer in normal dungeons, aren’t playing the way you do? Why does their globals matter to you so much that you have to control every single global they do to ensure completion, even though you can complete the normal dungeons just fine with just healing?

[Crapula-black-dragonflight (Crapula)]

@Jinday-ravencrest

“healer needs to do damage” came from FF14 players

FF14 didn’t come out until 2010? It had already been a thing for many years at that point. It was baked into mana regen right from the start… no dps, kiss your mana regen goodbye.

[Anxxy-area-52]

bro i don’t know like why this is a hard concept for you to grasp, I’m not even like arguing i’m just telling you that if you have nothing else to do it benefits the group to dps. That’s it, there’s nothing more to it, i don’t care about any other scenarios, this fits every scenario in the video game. I don’t care about how you “feel” about it, how I “feel” about it. I’m gonna suggest someone to do the better option

press ur dang buttons, they’re there for a reason.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Why that angers you to know that Healer in normal dungeons, aren’t playing the way you do?

The fact they aren’t playing if they aren’t DPSing, because there’s nothing to heal in a normal dungeon.

Just like I’d kick AFK dps or an AFK tank, I’ll kick an AFK healer.

[Ripworldbuff-grobbulus]

Serious question: How many Ranged damaging spells do Holy Paladins get? I’m curious about the extent expected of a Holy pally to do damage while healing Should they be in melee Crusader Striking?

[Anxxy-area-52]

They’re pretty much melee pov.

They have an easier time to range heal than some classes, but still struggle of course if you’re comparing to a priest / drood

[Varxion-malganis]

Why is this becoming an issue recently?

Healers have ALWAYS dpsed during time of low damage. Doesn’t matter what difficulty. Otherwise you’re just weighing the group down. Like don’t you wanna kill things quicker?

If your not dps’ing as a healer when appropriate then the group lead has every right to kick you.

[Emnyte-stormrage]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Do you actually go out of your way to complain about Healers not doing DPS in normal dungeons?

No, because I’ll likely never see them again. If it is someone I’m going to be playing with again, then yes…I’ll say something. I don’t want my friends embracing bad habits, I think that’s fair. I don’t care if randoms wanna play less than optimally, it isn’t my business.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Ripworldbuff-grobbulus

How many Ranged damaging spells do Holy Paladins get? I’m curious about the extent expected of a Holy pally to do damage while healing Should they be in melee Crusader Striking?

Holy Paladins should be in Melee at all times. Light of Dawn works best in proximity of others.