Paladins, both Retribution and Protection

I just wish I could use this toon as it was my original vanilla toon

mostly yes,
but it is still a reasonable raiding talent for “pve to the bones” 1st(tank) group holy paladin ;
i dont remember the exact value of base tank armor i used for calculations but in the end it was a good little bonus for tank survivability,
anyway it was better than shield block talent with bouquet of flowers;

On the subject of prot pallys not having a taunt. Arent most of the classic raid bosses immune to taunt anyway?

Quite a few of them are but that won’t stop the meta crowd from losing their minds about anyone but a warrior tanking.

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Most of the time, if a boss could be taunted, it was because it had a tank swap mechanic. Otherwise raid bosses tended to be taunt immune.

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is it an improvement, sure - but costing 5 talent points for such a laughable increase is a high price to pay - especially when Tanks receive such a miniscule bonus from it at high armour levels anyway at end game

compared to spending those same 5 talent points to have one of our strongest talents in the game in Redoubt

yes they are immune which makes the lack of taunt argument a crutch at best

If dwarfs were only not so ugly, along with their hunched combat stance it would be a hard decision for me.

The right beard helps a lot with older models.

The combat stance yeah I agree.

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Stone Form >>>>>>>>>> Perception

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Not rolling a particular race if I can’t stand it’s looks. Also, neither skill is going to be used in 99% content. So not a relevant comparison.

you will use Stone Form every 3 min cd in pvp going up against Rogues my dude - they will try to Blind you to reset and go back into Stealth

Stone Form says, “YOU TAKE NO CANDLE!”

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Rogues have never been much of a problem for me on my human Paladin.

I get stoneform has a use against poison mobs etc, but Paladins already have tools for that.

Like I said, 99%. Pvp is a rather small part of the game.

you can’t cleanse Blind off of yourself though - that’s the point - you can Cleanse Blind off of someone else but not off of yourself

but you can cast Stone Form while under the effects of Blind to remove it and make yourself immune to it

Creative use of Paladin bubbles is the Paladin taunt and the Paladin tank swapping mechanic. But that is just the juggling of kittens and chainsaws Paladins tend to do.

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exactly which is why I enjoy the challenge of playing a Paladin in Vanilla - if we wanted it to be easy we would all be playing BFA lol

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Cleanses also cannot be a critical heal, meaning it will ALWAYS cost mana no matter how you talent. Stoneform is one free Cleanse along with an armor buff and temporary immunity.

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Grey skin angry face female dwarf it is then…

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You gotta have PIGTAILS also. Trust me.

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Way off topic in this thread, but could you use Stoneform after the Blind was used? Or only to block its use?