Posts like this should be reported.
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IDK. I think the one major flaw of prot pally is it is difficult to play as a priest or a resto druid for that matter.
What kind of mental spiral did you get yourself into to think Glimmer was a âcrutchâ itâs a super average proc on Holy shock⌠SUPER. AVERAGE. What world you living in.
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That has got to be the silliest thing Iâve ever read. I guess Iâll go inform all the best holy paladins in the world about how bad they are for using the correct build in all situationsâŚ
Surely you canât be serious?
Sure, you can totally not run glimmer in raids and high end mythic+. However, that just means youâre an idiot for working twice as hard for nowhere near the same result. The best in the world use glimmer for a reason, it has nothing to do with being a crutch. You really shouldnât go around spouting nonsense like that when youâre clearly confused on the difference between viable and best there is. Actively nerfing yourself and making your group game play subpar is nothing to be proud about.
A better player will always play whatâs best for their teams progression. You seem to be extremely confused about many things, including the very specs you supposedly play.
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Paladin tank is a good class Iâve been playing mine in beta with no problems whatsoever.
In fairness, damage numbers are typically poorly tuned at this point in raid testing anyway, so itâs a combination of Pallies being slightly undertuned and bosses likely being slightly overtuned.
I literally know no one saying holy paladins are in this poor of a state except for you.
This exactly. Like my numbers went up with glimmer (obviously) but things are fine - and will be fine - without a glimmer build.
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Go read the Beta Paladin forum.
Go watch any Holy Paladin or Healer video on YouTube.
Go join the discussion in Holy Paladin Discord.
Gosh, even go read these very forums.
Literally everyone is in unanimous agreement that Holy Paladins are at rock bottom, maybe we tie with Holy Priests, but still bottom.
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are you new to ret? lol. ret always hits harder then most specs in the beginning of an xpac, which leads to being nerfed. OP damage (in short bursts) being our only tool is NOT a good thing with big holes in our kit like mobility and weakness to magic. Because again, once we get those nerfs or gear and tuning balances out that damage between classes, we are left with ok burst damage that gets ccâd to oblivion and blown up because of our lack of any good sustain out side a long cd bubble. Ret was great, yet not Op back in MOP WOD era because of our other tools in mobility, some range, and better resistances, since legion we been a one trick burst, that clearly hasnât been working out too well.
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This right here is 100% truth.
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Judgment grant 1 hpower, reduce CS cost slighty, and make Crusaderâs Might Baseline and put something shiny and useful in itâs place (i dunno, selfless healer or something my mindâs a blank)
Prot is one of the best tanks, and the tank with the highest dps, right now on the Beta.
Ret is solid middle tier dps, and outside of still lacking any real mobility, has had every other aspect of itâs gameplay buffed.
Holy now has 2 viable healing specs, and Glimmer is easily going to be the go to M+ healer in high keys due to the nutso dps it puts out while healing.
The only bad thing about the Pally specs right now is they just took passives from BfA and turned them into âaurasâ with GCDs.
Whatâs the other viable healing spec again?
You talking about the extremely clunky beacon of virtue style or the melee wings one? I always see all these mentions of other styles and they seem to vary. But all the non glimmer that donât incorporate CM cs spam have major downtime windows where your HP gen is significantly lower.
Beacon is clunky right now, sure. With level 60 and scaling it doesnât feel bad at all. And yes, Glimmer of Light is the second option, which is looking to be one of the best healing specs for M+ and BGs as well.
From my testing in beta it was also still clunky. The down time is just too much in some content. I guess itâs strictly good in a raid setting assuming all the heals donât get sniped by the faster casting healers.
I just feel like weâre gonna be struggling to find enjoyment if the class doesnât get some adjustments before launch.
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The adjustments arenât going to happen until first tier where stat scaling starts working, just as always. Glimmer is the only thing Iâll be playing anyway as I prefer the playstyle.
What Iâll be. I personally donât view the other options as viable due to the low holy power gen. Least Hpally will stuff have a spot in raid thanks to aura mastery.
I think youâll find once the haste starts rolling in all pally specs are going to have more holy power than they need. Holy Pallies not standing in melee range are going to find themselves far more starved. All Paladin specs are now melee as far as Iâm concerned.
That also concerns me though with the added haste. If CS doesnât get adjusted to not be 14% of our base mana (2000). We will sadly be ooming extremely fast in hard hitting content. I actually feel sorry for any Hpally that will be taking part in pvp.
The haste will juice up shock though so that is a bonus.
Retribution and protection are marginally better now than in BfA. Itâs not a huge difference, but there is a noticeable difference and itâs definitely better.
Not saying I agree with OP but thereâs gotta be some big olâ quotations around âsmootherâ. They may have lowered the grit slightly but Ret is still smooth as sandpaper.
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