Overtuned Firelands Raid

Weird the population information is right in front of you. I’ll repost if for you. Lowest population in Classics history currently. At no point during Classic, TBCC, or WOTLKC were the numbers anywhere near this low, and here again. This is supposed to be the most beloved part of Cata. Dragon Soul, and MoP looking real grim.
ironforge.pro/population/classic/?locale=US

I know exactly what it means. You’re suffering from it. Which is the exact reason you dig your heels in anytime someone challenges your views.

We’ve already discussed this—you’re drawing a causal relationship when your data only shows correlation. You could argue countless reasons why Cata is the least popular, and many of those arguments would be much stronger than “Blizzard!! Too hard!!” lol.

Honestly, it should be a requirement to pass middle school statistics before using them in online discussions.

No, you don’t. It’s just another buzzword you’re throwing out in desperation.

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I’m not saying people arent playing it because its too hard. I’m saying them announcing they were releasing the version we got caused some people to just not come back. Regardless of the “why” the games dying in whats supposed to be the most popular phase of the expansion. Its right there in black and white.

Perfect example of what I’m talking about :person_shrugging:

Exactly, it’s solved content, the solution is all over the internet. We don’t need FL to be nerfed because we already know how to do it.

You guys really latched onto that, and not the population point. Games dying, but you can be like “oMg I’m ElItE aT cAtA In 2024”.

Raid mythic retail if you actually want a challenge. You dont actually want a challenge you want solved content which is why you’re on Cata by your own admission.

Population has declined each time we progress to the next expansion, some people only wanted to play TBC, some only wanted to play WotLK.

There are people in my guild that even have zero interest in playing MoP.

You’re not grasping it. This is it for Classic. This is the supposed best part of the expansion, and it didnt draw people back. WoTLKC had higher pop than TBCC btw. It’s literally all down hill from here. MoPs going to be a ghost town.

OG WotLK also had a higher pop than OG TBC.

Direct quote. Which is it lol? Enjoy the rest of the expansion. This is the high point in raiding, and population. Classics pmuch over now.

It’s not my high point, and I doubt I’m the only person. I enjoyed SoO way more than I did Firelands.

Will do, my guild will still be just fine.

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You’re arguing just to argue lol.

Quoted myself since it didnt sink in for you last time.

None of what I said has to do with SoO. I’m talking about right now this is the high point of this expansion, and the high point for the remaining Classic population for the rest of the game.

Your guild will be fine for now. You’ll run out of people to pick up sooner than later. Good luck out there.

My guild will be fine in Dragonsoul aswell since majority of them have never even seen the raid. They are excited to see something new.

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Hope you guys crush it!

You choose how to engage with the game.
It is your choice to play casually, hardcore, midrange, or anything in between. If you’re not having fun with what you chose, then try something else.
Hardcore guilds were always going to cruise through old content. The means for them to efficiently execute mechanics have existed for years.

If you dont want to or dont like engaging with hardcore playstyles then you have to accept wiping on bosses and learning as you go.

And if your group is functioning so poorly you cant clear the content you want to see cleared, thats a problem with your group, not the game.

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Want a real challenge? Raid mythic retail at a world level. Thats what I thought.

You don’t seem to have a clue what you are saying. You’re just lost at sea.

So, are you just trolling or are you really that confused about your own stance lol?

According to who? It looks like you’re not keeping up with the trends in player engagement across expansions. Just more baseless claims you’ve come up with.

At least you make it easy for Blizzard to ignore you.

You really just stack fallacious logics on top of each other, don’t you?

Is it not possible to you that there exists a space between world first mythic raiding and Molten core? Are you not able to comprehend such nuance?

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Hope you didnt hurt yourself with all those mental gymnastics. Have a good night buddy.

The fact that you believe any of my points qualify as mental gymnastics only reinforces my argument—you simply can’t keep up here.

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so far both of the teams in my guild have been unable to kill bosses, an we are sitting at roughly 359 to 365 ilvl gear an this is on normal mode.

Maybe time to find a new guild? O.o