Please just remove roll the bones. Just remove it. Maybe im the only one that feels this way but it just feels super bad and with the new changes to it, it looks even worse.
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is it really that bad? I dont have ptr access but i havent been hearing good things for a lot of classes. My rogue feels like the red headed step child at this point even in retail. To be fair i really suck at it though.
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The last time I tried to play a rogue was when I got a bug and watched Bajeera. I wanted to try PvP.
The amount of buttons I had that were flat out CoolDowns annoyed me to no end.
I played outlaw to 1800 like, the first season of tww, and didnt really have any issues with roll the bones.
That being said I can see why actual rogue mains would not like it. I’d be okay with seeing it go.
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Yeah I gotta say, this does not sound fun.
This just sounds like you’ll spend a lot of time feeling like you’re not up to par. They have done things like this in the past where they give a class a “buff” that is completely mandatory to maintain at all times. Such that it is not really a buff. It is your normal level. And so not having it up means you’re underperforming. That’s makes it not fun, but tedious. In this case though it’s even worse, because you only have a 25% chance of the “buff” fully activating.
They have had the good sense to get rid of other such tedious abilities like Savage Roar and Inquisition. And in the case of Slice and Dice they’ve made it automatic through Cut to the Chase. But the way they’re clinging to Roll the Bones is just so tiresome and befuddling.
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What even are rogues at the moment? “Roll the dice of Fate”. Fatebound as a hero spec that deals cosmic damage. Are they becoming cosmic forces? Plane shifters?
A part of me wishes they’d rework them from the ground up so they have a solid identity.
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at this point im convinced blizzard doesnt even know what a rogue is, you got one spec thats a ninja, one thats also a ninja but different, and YAAAAR HARRR FIDDLEY DEE!
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It’s not that bad
In fact rtb once again got dumbed down to an insane degree
The spec has other issues that arnt rtb that I feel like people don’t talk about much
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I think my biggest issue is their lack of burst. Their “burst” is just attack faster but still do less damage than any other class during a “burst phase”. I dropped my outlaw rogue when I quickly noticed that even at the same item level and good gear, he did way less damage and took way more effort than my other classes, even those at a lower item level.
The way I see it, any class that has versatility as their top stat has some serious fundamental problems. Usually means their skills don’t scale well, and their mastery is trash.
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combat was way better play experience i haven’t even bothered to play my rogue more than level it up since the new style trees came out
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That’s almost every spec in some way. So many little buffs, procs, and setups just to reach the expected baseline damage for your class.
Sometimes it suits the play style, like ramping DoTs for Affliction warlocks, but other times it just feels meaningless.
RTB is one of the biggest WA hogs and it kind of cracks me up that Blizzard refuses to axe it during their addon war.
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Roll the Bones on live is fun with the weakaura trying to force max stacks, but alas, the platform decay of wow in midnight is gonna kill that
Give us back combat. Outlaw was a failure
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They made it into a generic scaling RNG Buff, which means you no longer have to track which buffs you have and figure out if you should reroll based on the situation.
I don’t know the cooldown and duration of these buffs but either it’s “roll off cooldown to ensure 100% uptime on the buff” or it’s “reroll early if you don’t roll a 3 or 4”. Much simpler and less reliant on WeakAuras to just tell you when you should reroll.
It’s still an RNG spec. That’s not going away unless they overhaul the entire theme of the spec again, most likely. But now you don’t have to track Bones so closely or with addons.
That’s fine by me.
Just delete rogues and class change them to warriors 
That’s not the same thing. There’s no gameplay to something like roll the bones. It’s not a finishing move. It’s not an attack you do. It’s not a ramp up. It’s not conditional on anything. It’s just a nuisance. It would be like if enhancement shamans had to recast their weapon imbues every 30 seconds.
i mean mostly thats because i ts not a burst spec
its a consistency spec
but ya i agree any spec that has verse as a main stat is lame
except it kinda wasnt? heck season 2 of tww had you pressing rtb on c d and not care about any buffs unless you rolled a 4+
now, you dont care about any buffs cause the best buff is the first buff and you get that buff 100% of the time
in your wrong opinion
something tells me you havent played outlaw for years
could not agree more
Outlaw rogue’s gambling addiction makes them ironically the closest the game has to a soothsayer class.