this is literally not remotely close to the truth
This could be true or false, it all depends on decent writing
my suggestion is that devs should create a new character for the alliance, inspired by Daelin and/or Garithos, and that he starts a war with the horde, so that a hot-headed warchief response would be justified.
It doesn’t even have to be the alliance, it could be a common enemy, but we need a real orc warchief urgently
That’s what the news says, “mostly peaceful riots”
Look up the lore. They were primitive clans that did not become a Horde that went after the Draenei until Burning Legion manipulation.
Like, can’t say they were all bloodthirsty warmongers because they weren’t until Kil’Jaeden started messing with them to MAKE them as such. Can’t even say the Shattered Hand were originally evil because they were slaves that revolted against cruel captors and they didn’t become ‘evil’ until joining up with Nerzhul.
WoD, without demon blood, everyone is still an enemy except Frostwolf, who was almost led by Ga’nar, who carried out carnage against the Thunderlords.
AU doesn’t properly account for their origins. Because sure, they turned down Gul’dan in drinking Demon blood but they were manipulated by an outside source to become that anyways, in this case, Garrosh instead of Kil’jaeden.
In short, AU Post-Garrosh orcs were not peaceful the same way that canon Post-Kil’jaeden orcs were not peaceful. We know how orcs were pre-Kil’jaeden in canon lore, which was NOT bloodthirsty Horde, we don’t (or at least I don’t) know the full extent of how pre-Garrosh AU orcs were.
There’s nothing wrong with having an evil/bloodthirsty race or faction. Just wish people were okay with that and that everything wasn’t so gray.
Lok’tar, my green (and not-green) brothers.
If they really want peace more than war, there would be more resistance to this “manipulation”.
Frostwolf didn’t succumb, everyone else did.
Orcs crave war more than peace, its a fact.
Just out of idle curiosity.
Did you read Rise of the Horde?
Yes, which part contradict me?
The introduction where it showed the clans used to gather for a relatively peaceful festival, how they were manipulated into war by use of the Deceiver using their honored dead to make them believe they were in danger (“The spirits don’t lie!”). Ect.
Little things to show that they may “savage” and brutal, but for the most part they did not crave and seek out war. They believed they were doing the Spirits work up until they drank demon blood.
Ner’zhul being tricked by Kil’Jaeden and refusing to continue to help him after discovering such. Even after murdering all the Draenei, he didn’t want war, so that’s when Gul’dan comes in, having fallen in to the temptations from the demons.
Blizzard was gonna add a flower picker clan in wod, but they deemed it to silly.
Im going re-read, cause im pretty sure it didn’t mentioned all clans behave like this
The main thing was, they were shamanistic, primitive, they may have been hostile to Orges but that is because Orges pretty much bullied the orcs.
They were vulnerable to manipulation because of their belief system (Sound familiar?) and only commited heinous violence when that belief system was used to trick them into doing such, not because they craved it.
I mean if you’re going to put words in my mouth then sure.
Since I didn’t do that though. I pointed out that your reasoning is based only on a time period when they were manipulated to a warlike end. You’re ignoring anything else. You’re reducing them to the Horde not to the Orcs.
You also very clearly misunderstand the Frostwolf clan. And apparently the Shadowmoon… Honestly I’d bet you’ve got an odd view of the Laughing Skull too. You even aware of the Flower Picker Clan? (That last ones more a joke)
Thats more a philosophical discussion. Is it amoral if you’re in a war to defend yourself? Being warlike and being bad are two different things.
I think he is the only one that truly stuck to his beliefs/convictions to the very end. Whether he is right or wrong, he stayed his course.
I think that could be why so many like him. Just a guess.
I am guessing most of the “Orcs are peaceful” stuff comes from that fact that genociding Draenei on Draenor, destroying said Draenor, coming to Azeroth through a Dark Portal to lay claim on the Eastern Kingdoms, eventually taking the conflict to Lor’daeron, losing, and finally getting enslaved made them sad and depressed, and maybe suffering from PTSD. How it must be so painful to commit such heinous acts that eventually grow a conscience AFTER killing everything, how can we not feel empathy for them? 
Even Durotan had to commit evil to save his clan (and family) by allowing the Horde access to I think Shattrath? Any Draenei survivors aren’t gonna care that he was essentially forced to give access under threat of death.
Nazgrim was the best Orc. He followed the path without the Old God delusions Garrosh ended with.
I guess they were referring to the heritage quests.
Are they not peaceful enough?
Kil’jaeden made them do it.
The talk was that Orcs WERE a peaceful race, and by all accounts they were effectively the equivalent of slightly more civilized beasts, by no means bloodthirsty, war-driven evil until Burning Legion (or Garrosh in the AU case) involvement.
No one is saying orcs never did bad things, only saying that orcs in Warcraft lore were not always as they are now. Is almost as if people forget that Grom and Drek’thar exist.