Yes but what about it is op? Its mechanics that were in the game already and they nerfd it to force paladins to wear the set. I use to seal twist double judgement before the set bonus but they nerfd it so it doesnt work without the set.
the fact that they made it so it works like that doesnt tell you anything or give you a clue?
simply put , right now with that full set up of gear, it is reliable to do so and doesnt take someone with a good connection or very good timing to pull off AND it does enough to 2 global geared people.
whats not to get here?
without a counter to it , you guys with that gear are walking 2 global slot machines.
they diddnt allow enh shaman to keep that , yet you guys are running around with an even more reliable version of it.
The reason they nerfd it was because players like myself were taking advantage of the t1 6 piece set bonus without having to actually wear the gear. But its been in the game for a long time. They nerfd it so the paladin would have to wear the new gear and not double dip into another set. We were able to seal twist double judgement within the .400 ms window before they forced us to wear the set
We are not though? Do you have clips of other paladins doing it or just me? I cant 2 shot geared players
ya.
so in closing, the gear set working the way it does now, is very powerful and needs the ability to be countered or it is op.
and i dont have to have the video. ive seen it happen to me and many team mates over the course of the last month or so.
alot of them were wearing at least 3 pc warlord gear with over 10k hp.
it happens .
i know it happens.
and even then , if there are counters available i dont feel its out of place for them to be dangerous .
The âcounterâ is the ret having small mana pool and hp bar. The âcounterâ is no mobility from the paladin. The insane op counter to ret is purge. Ret had no slows, no mobility, no instant heals, low mana, low hp, and everything is dispellable. How much more of a counter do you need? What counters shaman?
those âcountersâ dont hold the same weight with me as it does you .
i long have said enh has those same counters mostly and still got crapped on.
you will argue otherwise but if you really were in the thick of things as an enh shaman you would recognize it as somethign we share more than we differ from.
but anyways im not opening that can of worms as im about to raid.
gl dude.
False. Enh shaman has aoe slow to stay on target, instant heals, 1 min defensive reducing damage by 20% while giving 75% mana to themselves and 18% to the raid over 15 seconds, ranged kick on 5 sec cd, Grounding totem, decoy totem, wolves, and you can be an orc making you resist 25% of the stuns. How could you compare ret to enh?
Pretty sure they play shamans the brain dead purge bots
hehe i said im not getting into it as i have raid in 20 mins.
i will give you a preview though for when i get back.
aoe slow that has to be âpushedâ to a target or dropped on a target.
really crappy âinstant healsâ 1 that heals for very tiny amounts and 1 that also heals for very tiny amounts but requires us to build 5 stacks of something that makes us melee you already . they took all the + healing from mental dex and also burn (which nobody uses as they run wf/wf).
1 min cooldown that gives mana back (gl surviving long enough to even see half that mana back btw).
ranged kick that puts all our other shocks on cooldown so you cant spam frost shock to stick on a target as well as interrupt them as well as flame shock them âŚ
grounding totem and decoy both catch 1 spell or attack , what happens after they catch an icelance or an auto attack?
wolves are good , yes.
oh yay lets rag on about the orc racial some more. the people in the back havent heard that one be brought up but 20 bajillion times. its played out.
btw mentioning all the totems, lets mention freedom that pallies have or horse, or bubble , or an actual stun , or a ranged repentance, or any of the other tools you âforgotâ to mention.
we are closer than you think with all of our tools yet shaman dont have bubble to close the gap and can be slowed/stuned/damaged at range while they are getting to the target and eating most of the damage while doing so.
dont let yourself get fooled that we arent closer than you are giving it credit for.
You make it seem like its so hard to place your totem down to slow someone. If you have horrible aim then sure but even so, Its hard to miss
Your upset your instant heals doesnt heal enough? I wish i had instant heals for a ret because my casted heals barely heal aswell and 1 of them costs 35% of my mana bar
What kind of rebuttal is this? This ability is clearly broken but you make it seem like its useless. What does paladin have?
Your kick is still a 5 second cooldown and you still have earthbind like wut? What does paladin have?
Ret doesnât have icelance and why would that even matter? It litterally absorbs an attack and thr other absorbs a stun. Comboed with being an orc which gives 25% stun resist and a 2 min trinket⌠decoy totem and grounding totem are short cooldowns. What does paladin have?
Wolves are good? Bro wolves are op. You are so disingenuous to claim the ret gear is not âgoodâ but op and wolves are not?
We the players keep bringing up the racials because of how 1 sided it is. Blizzard still hasnt nerfed it so the players will continue to complain. You orcs think your soo good at the game playing the most broken race and class
How is bubble used to close the gap? It doesnt increase my movement speed⌠is the person im fighting in this scenario give up on moving away? Its a 5 min cd that lasts 12 seconds⌠what about the other 4 minutes and 48 seconds?
We talking about ret paladin or who?
heh you can say this , yet somehow not see the similarities .
youll get there eventually.
have fun while im raiding.
hope the raid isnt as bugged as they are saying it is.
It feels like warriors are left in era while everyone else gets SoD
1 Like
So you choose not to respond? Lol. Good talk. If you think shaman is bad and ret is op. Learn to play your class
im right about to start a pull.
i think pure enh shaman are indeed bad. pally is only op in the case of there being no dispel/purge spam available.
but ya have fun!
You think the only class that can beat paladin is shaman and priest because of dispel? Bro what makes paladin op? The fact we can swing our weapon?
ok . youre being dishonest with yourself and me now, ive explained this like a billion times to you and dont care to do it again.
now im done.
gl.
You have not said it a single time. Except bubble. Can you not articulate what makes paldin op? Ive given you multiple specific runes and abilities that make shaman op but you canât give me one except bubble
2 Likes
You canât open the endless conversation door that is Xtra, Ark. He will outfarm and outlive us all in this forum. This forum is his entire existence
Top dps in pve = bad
Imagine if Xtra played a war. The guy wouldnât be able to handle it