Burning Crusade 1/16/2007 -11/12/2008 Flying at level 70 (22 months)
Wrath of Lich King 11/13/2008 -12/6/2010 Flying at level 80 (25 months)
Cataclysm 12/7/2010-9/24/2012 flying at level 60 with flight master BC and wrath reduced to 60 and 70 (21 mmonths)
Mists of Pandaria 9/25/2012- 11/12/2014 Flying at Level 90 with purchase oa PAndaren Flying (26 months)
That comes out to 94 months that we had flying or 7.8 years
Now lets’s look what has come since then
Warlords 11/13 /2014-8/29/2016 (21 months) First expansion with Path finder
Legion 8/30/2016-8-13/2018 (24 months ) Path Finder expanded to 2 parts
BAttle for Azeroth 8/14/2018- (currently 5.5 months)
This comes to a total of 50.5 months or 4.2 years of no flying at max level so again tell us how we’ve been not flying longer at max level then we have oh and Vanilla doesn’t count because that was before flying was implemented.
My point is about having the freedom to choose my own fun in the open world rather than it being dictated to me what I should find fun. Do I find AFK/FPs fun? personally no. If someone finds sight seeing fun, then by all means have at ESPECIALLY if it means they stay active in the game instead of unsubbing like so many have.
Myself, I have limited play time these days…purchased BfA months before release, but didn’t actually get to play it till Oct. I got pathfinder done in short order. Now I have 3 x 120s grinding the same WQ WB WF etc and not ‘feeling it’ in regards to leveling any of my other Dozen 110+ characters through the same tedious ground terrain. BEEN THERE< DONE THAT
PS: I miss my RL friends who quit the game because they were PO’d about spending HUNDREDS of $$$ in the Blizzard store collecting FLYING mounts that they can’t Fly with in current content.
Is it laziness to not enjoy a certain activity in your spare time? I mean…I don’t think I’m lazy because I don’t want to play golf. I just don’t like golf. I prefer any number of other activities.
I prefer flying to negotiating mobs and terrain after I have seen the mobs and terrain. For many of us flying is simply FUN.
I’m guessing for some reason these people don’t do that. I mean, with flying, I point myself toward the destination on the horizon, put on auto pilot, and alt+tab out of the game to read the forums or whatever.
Now, people think I’m against flying, but I’m not. I just think that people are putting a bit too much emphasis on how it will magically “save the game”.
It probably won’t magically save the game but what it will do is give players an option on how they choose to enjoy the game.
For years we always had options on how we played and how we geared our toons . We could go the pve route and gear by questing (which wasn’t the greatest way) or we could do dungeons and raids which were better sources and the gear had meaning . We could do the same thing by doing pvp and that gear felt meaningful for what it was for . Now the gear no matter what you do is basically interchangeable . Flying wasn’t about being more fun it was more about the freedom to go places you couldn’t get to from the ground , seeing the art teams work from a wider lens.
Flying in the game gave that freedom in a virtual way that you kind of felt when you got the keys to that first car and realized the world or at least your little part of it was opened up for you to explore and find new experiences.
Each person’s definition of fun is different. No two answers will be the same .
THere are things in our everyday lives we all find fun that others might not and if they were to ask why we think it is fun no answer we could give them would matter to them but to us there is just something about it we find fun and enjoy the smile it puts on our face . Would you agree with that ?
Also tell me when you got that first set of keys was it just covenience or was there some fun to it
Actually, people complained about the cost of epic flight in BC when flying came out. I never understood why because epic flight cost like 2500g and you made over 10k gold just doing Dragonmaw rep for their mounts.
It’s both. Convenience is fun. Otherwise, Hunters would still be buying ammo and feeding their pets. There wouldn’t be any summoning stones by dungeons. The anti-grinding mechanisms that were added to quest mobs in Wrath would never have been. Every quality of life enhancement that was added to this game was purely for the sake of convenience. That’s because convenience is fun.
I remember convincing a particularly bad hunter that I couldn’t res him because my druid was always out of seeds.
I had lots, he just irritated me standing in junk then screaming out REZ ME DROOD every time he died. Same guy also once said “wellp, I’m out of ammo guess I’ll melee now” after a few trash pulls.
When I say that I enjoy seeing the world open up underneath me like a living map, does it sound like I lack wonder in the event?
How about the rush of springing into the air just below the canopy and climbing through the leaves and limbs to burst out into the sky over a treetop landscape. Do I seem to be taking that for granted?
There is the way the land falls away down the coastline into a misty farscape of dim shapes when I am quite far up and the world flows under like a river. Or the vertigo of leaping into the nether to wing between drifting land masses, nothing below you but an endless drop.
Dropping into battle like some avenging angel. Dismounting just above the ground to land like a sheer boss and walking into the open door as if I am the coolest thing in the room.
Needing some space and so I go straight up, letting the city grow small and complex below me, taking it all in, the streets, the roofs, the canals, and remembering a time when it was inconceivable I might see it from up here.
All this. All these things that I will never know again until passing some petulant set of milestones designed to punish how much I enjoy these things.
They say it drives “immersion”. Guess what, once I’ve been “Immersed” on more than one character on both factions its no longer immersion, its toil and is only there to slow down players by denying them flying. They know that, and they don’t care because they want us to toil. Look at all the mechanics they put in to slow down progress in the game. Grinding rep, random loot drops without the chance to earn gear through badges. Know why people loved WoTLK, you earned badges that could be used to by the gear you were not lucky enough to get as a drop (and you could fly at 77).
It’s both. And I mean exactly that. It’s both fun and convenient. My response from another thread:
Flying for me IS fun, in and of itself. I do loop-de-loops on my dragons. Did you know that you can even fly upside down? I love flying around looking for good screenshots of the landscapes - that’s fun for me. I also love to explore areas for undiscovered things (rares, treasures, etc.) from the back of one of my dragons or hippogryphs because they’re fantasy creatures in a fantasy game – that’s fun – for me.
And yes, getting to the fun stuff faster is fun, too. You know why? Because I’m not wasting what time I do have to play the game doing stuff that’s un-fun to me. Traversing the same old terrain again and again and again by ground is un-fun. Player controlled flying is MUCH more fun. For me . Your mileage may vary.
People can explain it to you all day long until they’re blue in the face, but we can’t “understand” it for you. You can decide to accept what people tell you as truth or fiction, but if you can’t understand when so many people tell you it’s “fun” WHY it’s fun, then you probably will never understand it. It just makes you look like a troll by continuing to ask while ignoring the answers you have already been given.
Kind of like the fun you are getting in here for repeatedly going it’s for muh covenience but being able to fly ain’t fun .
I’m thinking when you first got to drive on your own you had no fun and only used it to get from home to school and maybe work and possibly the store for mom . You probably never used it for stuff like going to movies or to places with friends because that would of made driving something you did for fun and we all know you don’t use forms of travel as a fun aspect of your life. Bet you were fun at parties . Oh wait you probably didn’t go , that would involve you actually driving for fun.
