Now that Starsurge has been Gutted

Bro if you click on the little arrow you can see who people are responding to. Take a lap

If you could channel your penchant for hyperbole into a damage spell, not even Arcane Powered, Power Infused, 4 ArcaneBlastStack Arcane Surge could hit that hard.

The amount of hyperbolic malding…

URHWHEH HOW DO THEY GET IN MELEE RANGE… URHGGG

maybe by using the kit they have, but forget that in your imaginary scenerios warriors just stand at max range waiting to be rooted

why are you standing there waiting to be charged then?

enjoy being balanced like everyone else lol.

I literally got 1 shot by an arcane blast for 1700 damage 2 days ago while in tanaris

So you have no pvp gear then. A boomkin with 1700 hp is literally 0 stam. This explains it all. Dude went from demolishing people with the wrong stats to getting killed. RIP

im in all prebis blues and epics with the wsg epic bracers too and i have 1568 health unbuffed rn, how would you suggest i get more, walk around in all stam gear so i can deal even less damage?

yea 1568 hp is extremely low try swapping a couple pieces for eagle and youll actually survive long enough to get out of range

In a sense, this argument is already kind of over. We know Moonkin kiting tools are insufficient for the types of spells they use to deal any significant damage because Blizzard has buffed it since Classic like a dozen times. They added Mass Entangle, Typhoon, Bash in Moonkin Form, a slow on faerie fire, an interrupt/silence, I could go on here, but the point is just this: Starsurge was obviously getting out of hand, but if they want us to hardcast in PVP, they need to give us tools that will support that or just admit they don’t want us to PVP so we can all just move on with our lives.

If your solution is just like, use DoTs that don’t deal any damage and run around forever hoping there isn’t another caster with twice your burst in any direction that you might run, then I guess we’re done talking here, because that’s just not real life.

Moonkin is bad in PVP, Starsurge was masking that fact. End.

so you think all the classes that can 1 shot me are walking around in pvp gear? no so again pointless conversation because its clearly not balanced

Possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read considering they also added a !@#$ ton of mobility spells for other classes in that time frame. Typical boomkin brain

It’s easier to kite as a balance druid in every other version of the game than classic. I should know, I’ve played them all.

LMFAO bro you are too much

I don’t understand how you can look at just the sheer number of tools they added just from Classic to BC and then BC to Wrath and conclude that there wasn’t an overall buff to balance druids’ ability to kite, even taking other kits into account. BC’s a little weirder because it had resilience. In BC Balance might have actually been good if not for actual very real mana problems they had. The ended up playing sort of like, I dunno, bad affliction locks in that expansion although they could work in a 5s burst comp

Anyway I’m digressing here, the point is you’re wrong and I’m right xoxoxoxo

Its so stupid they cant get it through the thick skulls

We say we like the way druid played and even with a SS damage nerf we would still like it
We say we dont like how Starfire plays into our rotation we dont want to be forced to use it

and the only responses are you just dont know how to play your class now you cant 1 shot people… ridiculous children that cant follow a conversation or read anyones points but their own

I was just in a gnomer with a druid and he didn’t feel weak, he was 2nd on overall damage and doing very well on bosses, the complaints about pve don’t seem to be warranted, not on the data we have anyway

Pvp may be different

Yeah no… if that kind of damage were floating around my enhance sham wouldn’t last more than 4 seconds in Battlegrounds fights.

Yet somehow I do… in fact the fighting goes on for quite a while… And I love beating up on the “Dreaded deadly Shadowpriests of DOOOOOOM”

If you weren’t a level 40 stack of hyperbole, I’d be spectating in BGs more than playing them.

Yeah I kind of want to say the jury’s still out on potential PvE problems. It all seems to come down to future sims, where it does legitimately appear like balance is going to fall off a cliff as people get 40 gear. For now things look good. The math folks don’t expect this to continue but real life can sometimes surprise us.

The issue isn’t really DPS it’s that we run out of mana halfway through any long encounter even if we use Innervate on ourselves, which is a little bit funny because it’s sort of a classic moonkin issue. You have all these tools for mana regeneration (reflection, dreamstate, fury of stormrage, innervate) and yet Starfire just sucks your mana dry so fast that they can’t compete with the raw speed at which you consume it, lol.

This is all more of a PVP concern. I think blizzard’s gonna make adjustments to balance druid mana. They clearly view it as a concern because they’ve gone to such great lengths to improve it.

Mana is supposed to be a cost-occurrence limiting factor of caster dps. You aren’t supposed to have endless mana.

Idk where this ever became unclear.