the point is calling something easy when you have never done it.
that’s a bit silly.
the whole “I could if I wanted to” is a dead argument with no weight.
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Where you the one I said mage grand marshal gear used to show up wrong on WoWhead? I just checked and it is finally fixed. Took them about 8 months to do so though. Undestaffed is probably the problem.
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Me, flying around minding my own business, mining and looting dirt piles for sparks in Warmode.
Random Alliance starts circling me. I see them.
I just keep going as business as usual, they try and start a fight. I get about ten yards away, then re-engage on them. Fight ensues. They die. I go back to my normal business.
In the situations where I die, it is easy enough to get back fast enough to either re-engage them or to escape and go back to business.
In old times, if you got killed there’s a good chance you got camped and unless you had a geared main in the area or your faction was active in the area (less likely if your faction was the minority) then it’d be a whole ordeal just to get back to playing the game.
Also, raiding in classic is slow and boring with little to no thinking involved. I’d fall asleep doing it now.
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Lol I’ve never once said I don’t like mechanics.
I don’t like the timer and the pacing of M+, but I think the mechanics are fine. Mimiron Hardmode from back in the day, had mechanics. It’s not like all older fights didn’t have any. ToGC and ICC, too.
Affixes are annoying and don’t really need to exist imo, but it’s whatever.
It’s just gotten to a point where you can’t seemingly play the game at all, unless you’re a class that can cheese certain ones like Shaman with Poison Totem getting nerfed.
I feel like most of M+ is just choosing which classes can skirt with and avoid doing mechanics the most- that’s not dealing with mechanics normally lol, that’s creative and clever use of game mechanics.
Idk, it’s just bad when a whole population can’t play the game when they’re not the right class.
And it’s kinda shocking that M+ is just allowed to exist like that lol.
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Almost no one in General Discussion plays at a level where they have to adhere to a meta.
I do not understand the strange, twisted fascination where players claim they can’t play the game at all if they aren’t playing in the 0.001th percentile of content.
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yeah because pvp is well known for being well balanced. and not having certain classes or specs having a large advantage.
I am a shaman. I have been able to PVE since poison cleanse totem was nerfed.
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PvP is terrible too, tanks can’t even play it really.
I miss when I could play my tank in PvP, probably back in Legion, or something like that.
Tons of things in WoW I’d tweak just so more folks can actually ‘play the game’.
Disparities among classes are pretty terrible.
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Again just reads like the same ole “back in my day” boomer drivial. Lets be honest you dont do relevent pve content because you cant and thats ok, but dont let those rose tinted nostalgia glasses fool you.
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In classic you just stand in place and autoattack, which is boring and not fun.
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I cleared Palace on LFR, I’ve done enough lol.
And yeah, it’s a game from 2004. It was better back when it was new on the scene, and there were less options for gaming.
And back when friends play it, etc etc.
It’s a 20 year old game, that’s ancient.
I generally do pity those that missed WoW’s heyday, because it was a phenomenon at the time.
Now, it’s still a serviceable game, it’s pretty good value for how cheap it is, but it’s never going back to ‘most played game in the world’ like it was during it’s peak.
And we’re not getting any more South Park episodes about it, etc etc.
It’s still fun, sure.
But I did like the older design more, especially raid attunements and battlegrounds having reputations attached to them.
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No, but it is pretty easy to deduce since you did say this:
So when were mechanics REALLY starting to get introduced into the game…? Wrath raids had some, but not that many in the grand scheme of things. Most mechanics were still just dps checks. PvE mechanics became a thing in Cataclysm properly, not in Wrath.
You said you stopped with PvE after Wrath/Cataclysm, indicating that something changed from Wrath to Cataclysm. And there’s really only a few things, in terms of PvE, that changed namely that mechanics mattered more than ever.
This is also why Cataclysm dungeons had to be nerfed because most folks doing dungeons since Wrath couldn’t handle the adaptation to lethal mechanics again. The difference, and why your other comments are important here, is that the lethality of classic was a lack of mechanics and just pure numerical danger - if you took damage, that was a lot harder to recover from back then… Which is also why Classic and TBC are also remembered as the times of 100% dodge chance and stuff like that.
You have made it very clear that the issue you have with PvE is an abundance of meaningful mechanics … when all you want to do is punch things for 10+ minutes and then see a boss die. Or you die in 10 seconds from getting punched too hard.
And this is before even considering your nonsensical complaints about M+. Sure if you don’t like affixes then M+ ain’t for you, but the rest of what you said? It just reinforces that you just don’t like PvE-mechanics.
Good thing this isn’t the case then. Unless you are pushing to compete in the MDI at which point, sure. But then you are looking for that gameplay and you are looking to participate in it at the highest possible level.
Most people don’t so this doesn’t matter.
This whole narrative of “you have to be meta to do M+” is only ever pushed by people who don’t like M+ and want to lie about it. As this has never ever in the history of M+ ever been the case for any season. Unless you want to push for the highest possible keys of course, but again, then you are signing up for that particular gameplay loop, style, and requirements to participate at the highest possible level. If you want to make a comparison to PvP as you say you are a fan of it, not all classes/specializations are good at the highest possible ranks of PvP - which is why they aren’t played at the highest possible ranks and PvP competitions.
Quick edit: I just read that you said this and…
… LFR is designed where it effectively doesn’t have mechanics… It is literally designed with that in mind, because every single boss that has meaningful mechanics in LFR becomes a LFR-killer.
So… yeah, ehm…
You REALLY don’t like PvE mechanics and you keep telling us this in multiple different ways.
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that is not relevant challnong content
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20 year vet check
Refuses to adapt check
Says retail wow content is too easy check
Has zero relevent achievements in that 20 year time frame check
Posts bad takes on the forums about yesteryear check
Man is a walking meme
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That’s . . . . a unique way of spelling “challenging”
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yeah auto correct on my phone really dislikes me
keeping it that way for the giggles
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People play classic for either nostalgia or lack of being able to adapt to retail difficulty
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And you get hit by invisible rotten damage stuff all the time
HOW CAN I DODGE INVISIBLE DAMAGES?
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you must become invisible yourself
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You haven’t engaged in M+. You’re regurgitating bad takes you heard from YouTube videos by other people who also haven’t engaged in m+.
Please tell us more about something you’ve never done.
Your PvP experience is also too thin to take you seriously. Hitting 1750 once or twice in 20 years is pretty weak if PvP is your focus.
Right because you don’t engage in any of the harder content. No wonder you think WoW is an easy game. You only engage in trivial content.
You don’t have any raid experience to show for, so excuse us if we don’t take your word for it.
Your entire post can be summed up like this:
I hit 1750 in a game mode that is barely touched by the vast, enormous overwhelming majority of players so I think my low level PvP experience in a couple of seasons makes me an authority on all the other content I don’t engage with because it’s too hard for me.
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Well then new meta: Rogue and Feral Druid
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