am only here myself because I still haven’t done the Kyrian and Necrolord campaign, and then to play classic BC. Might or might not unsubscribe and just play via tokens if I have enough gold
It’s sad how the entire game is about Sylvanas now, and the story they’re telling, that genocide is good if Sylvanas does it, is also disgusting.
Especially when it comes at the expense of other fanbases and their races, which are entirely sacrificed and removed from the game just to explain a minor thing about Sylvanas… how she is so powerful now.
This will also never end, later in SL they have their book coming about how genocide is good and then we’ll get even more Sylvanas expansions.
Why was what Arthas did bad, but when Sylvanas does the same with a few worse details it’s okay and can be swept under the rug and forgotten… and then later glorified and excused?
See you in two months champ.
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guys he is criticizing the story destroy him hail blizzard writers.
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Alf-weeder-zen!
I genuinely wonder how many people, or proportion of people, unsubscribe due to story. It’s a shame most of the playerbase isn’t that invested in it, and perhaps that’s a reason it is stupid, since Blizzard doesn’t care.
Given that transmutation of some kind seems to be part of the schools of magic that both arcane mages and druids have access to, it seems like a no brainer for anyone interested in physical changes beyond social aspects.
Clearly the people running Dalaran’s salon are just master transmuters with a business sense
It’s also the constantly escalating stakes for me. It’s just getting silly now. They tell us the Jailor’s army of frowny face suits of armor rival the Legion’s strength. But so far they’re bad at showing us this. Like compare the absolute chaos that was trying to go anywhere in Argus to the Maw.
Not to mention we had history with the Legion. Half the playable races origins are being screwed over by them. And N’Zoth and the Black Empire had at least been a dark force in the background this whole time.
I just don’t care about Zooval and his vague evil. At least Denathrius had some personality. Goth Mr.Clean is just a big grim guy, growling grimly.
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Doesn’t this seem like a response that would have been more appropriate in BFA than Shadowlands though?
Sylvanas has almost zero impact on day to day questing, raiding, and mythics. There are a few cutscenes with her if you bother with Torghast but that’s about it.
Seems like the time to make this complaint and make good on it by departing would have been last expansion.
Suuuuure, the CHARACTER is corrupting the plot. All by herself. It’d be so good if only she didn’t muscle her way in and hold the writers at bow-point forcing them to write this stuff.
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Honestly, anyone who played Warcraft 3 and didnt expect Sylvanas would royally screw everyone over was kidding themselves. Hell I always knew she would outlive the Lich King(I just didnt think it would be this long), especially when she became a faction leader.
From the looks of it her story is ending in Shadowlands, whatever that may mean for all of us. OP, this isnt the first time I have had to literally wait years for a resolution to a story that literally takes years to finish(remember Garrosh?) and I can understand why people would quit/not want to wait to forever to see it end.
If you feel like quiting go for it. For me, I am still interested in seeing where this all ends and more importantly WoW still has alot of fun gameplay elements for me hence why I stay.
I didn’t, because I knew there were smarter, wiser and more powerful leaders than her. You know, because being a strategist doesn’t mean you are the only strategist, and doesn’t mean everyone suddenly becomes dumb as rocks.
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Maybe it was just a stupid pipe dream but I wanted to hope that the character would eventually pull up and try to spin a slightly more positive method of moving on with something new instead of being trapped with your trauma forever. Welp. 
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This is a bizarrely teleological read of her story arc considering how inconsistent the characterization of most of the W3 cast, especially the TFT cast, has been other than Arthas himself.
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Depends on the execution.
Conceptually it’s better to leave some feedback than just unsubscribe. Sometimes it fuels a discussion, etc.
There is no other place to my knowledge to actually do leave such feedback. Plus, if a person is a regular visitor to a forum section, having a formal “good bye” might be a better choice than just disappearing.
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What else could they do with the usual habit of releasing new content around the time of another mmo doing something?
Not really. The modern game just does not have the content that is interesting to a big portion of audience who played pre-Cata game.
One of easy to spot differences is that the original motivation to play the game was to see how the world changed since the strategy games time. Azeroth was the main character in a way. Currently it’s about following “heroes” and their “heroic” deeds. The current approach is easier to market, but worthless to the crowd who cares about the world more than “what Jaina had on for breakfast this time”.
IMO the concepts is not their weak point. Implementation is.
Visiting alt draenor is an interesting concept. It making next to no impact on draenei (except losing Maraad) - a questionable execution. No new tech, no reflection / commentary about what changed, about seeing long deceased people, even if it’s not truly them, no draenei apparently was interesting in taking aspects of ragnari, etc.
I mean, during “it would be cool if” stage it seems interesting. And then… oh well.
It’s all about clear creator-client relationship. They sure can just stick to “it’s our story to tell”. But nobody is obligated to suppord such approach either.
If they would make it clear they are not interested in the feedback, that would be one thing. If they would incorporate open dialogue with the user base, that would be another one. Sitting on 2 chairs won’t work in this scenario.
Solving their problems is not the client’s work. They just report on how it worked out for them, and it’s up for the dev team to make a decision about paying attention to it, or evaluating that solving such “issues” is not worth it.
IMO false premise. A lot of players do not like what was done to Sylvanas. But if there would be clear and consistent direction with the character, there would be only a fraction of negativity at this point.
Making a choice to follow a development process that does not allow alteration is their own problem.
IMO it is not possible to predict if all the gameplay systems will work out well. Hence ideally there should be a way, if necessary, to cut an expansion short, or if everything goes unexpectedly well, to keep it for longer than originally expected. Would this be doable with rigid planning? I think you know the answer.
They make choice. They’ll have to deal with the consequences, regardless of what they think about it.
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Why would they? The devs made a choice (it seems) originally to put “hype” moments into the game, and leave the connection in the books. Kind of an interesting concept isn’t it? Like have the best for gameplay in the game, and best for story in the books, right?
Except that is not what happened. I saw plently of people since WotLK just skipping all the quest texts because “why bother if even after reading all of that, I won’t know the story”.
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Oh please, even if there were more powerful leaders then her she was always brewing something. The Forsakens were always the largest hurdle for peace. Even more so then Garrosh. She was literally brewing plagues right under the noses of every Horde leader.
I am not sure why you expected when even back in Warcrimes Golden said the book would be defining her/her future and we all knew how that ended.
Has it? Jaina has more or less reverted to a more cautious peacemaker. The sort that would probably do things for peace but would probably avoid sacrificing too much for it.
Thrall wanted what was best for the Horde but always seem to fall short of his own ideals. To the point his only punishment for Grom when he went murder happy was make him cut a bunch of trees.
As for Sylvanas. She was always a schemer and always put her needs above everyone else. She was always the biggest hurdle for peace and in a game where the faction conflict take center stage sooner or later was always going to be a big headache for everyone.
I agree, and I would say thats the one aspect of Classic that actually held up. That and all the environmental details I didn’t realize I missed until I saw them again. Rain storms cutting down your vision. Night time is fun, I don’t understand why thats gone. And there really is something to making you walk on foot through the world for awhile. You get a real appreciation for the land.
But that’s all that held up for me. The modern game is overall better designed, as it ought to be seeing they’ve had the better part of two decades to work on it.
And the thing is the world never stopped being a main character. Dazar’Alor left my jaw on the floor the first time I saw it, and the gothic atmosphere of Revendreth is just my vibe.
It’s just rather than focusing on this fascinating world and our adventures through it - we focus on some hero characters and their adventures. And if we’re lucky they’ll fist bump our characters and call them a cool dude. Which makes for a really boring story. It’d be like if they made a DBZ game but you play as one of the ancillary characters just sorta waiting for Goku to turn up and solve the problem.
But that’s an easy fix. Just keep the camera on the world and the events happening therein. The hero characters can be a part of this world, but just a part. Not the whole point.
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Because the game had just gotten out of a Horde Bad Warchief Bad expansion and I was really hoping they wouldn’t redo that plot point. I would never have expected her to be outright lawful good or anything, but at least tempered somewhat so that she could become tolerable, if not outright liked. But welp.
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