Normal Difficulty Raiding

While not the pushover that LFR is, Normal difficulty Raiding seems to be an incredibly less significant challenge in BfA than in the past.

This weekend, I joined a group using the LFG tool for an Uldir run and was able to complete the experience with only a few minor setbacks, within 90 minutes.

Is this really how the developers envision how Normal Difficulty Raiding should work, no real chance at failure?

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Edit: I didn’t even realize he said Uldir. RIP.

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Could have sworn I saw a post not too long ago claiming LFR was too hard. Might be thinking of something else though. As much as I hate to say it, normal for some people is their version of Mythic.

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Normal Uldir drops 355 gear. Of course it’s piss easy now that you can get better gear from WQs.

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I mean I’d imagine a significant portion of the group outgeared it, especially considering that Mythic 0’s drop 370 and Azerite pieces have 5 rings now.

It’s not supposed to be hard, but personally I haven’t noticed any major difficulty difference throughout the expansions.

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You’re using LFR Uldir as a sample to support your theory when many of the playerbase’s ilvl is at 385+.

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Uldir is the last tier. It won’t be difficult even on heroic if you’re in current tier gear.

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I see this as a game design problem and that if players can so easily obtain gear that makes current expansion content this trivial, then something is broken.

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Uldir is not current content. Go do normal BoD and then your opinion on this will actually carry some weight.

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Ah, new to the game I see.

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Unfortunately we play the patch, not the expansion, since mop

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Because we out gear it :wink:

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My opinion is that even with current tier gear, an expansion raid should not be this trivial.

I suppose some of you don’t actually play the game to enjoy the content for the challenge it should be and are only playing for that chance at pulling the slot machine lever for your “rewards” that just make the game trivial to play.

Nobody should be out-gearing expansion content. Gear should give players a slight advantage so that they can “progress” to the next challenge, not so that it can make everything irrelevant.

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If you went and did Naxx in Wrath with ICC gear, do you think it would be super easy? Because it would. I know this because my guild did it back then for our weekly social raid with the lads. We were usually half pissed and spent the entire time making jokes and having a laugh.

I dunno why you’re talking about other people not playing the game for the challenge when you’re not even doing the current raid. Doing the current tier’s raid is not a free ride. I don’t go around picking fights with 12 year olds then telling them how weak they are because I beat them.

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Can your raid group be available for me to raid whenever I happen to be online for the few hours it takes to raid that day? I’d love it if you all could just conform to my schedule so that I can actually experience what truly challenging content was like. Thanks.

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No, but the literal hundreds of normal pugs that are running at any given time should be. Try them.

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But we do outgear it ,normal BOA difficulty isn’t designed around players who are 385+, some may even argue 370+.

You would already have been 370+ even before the raid released :sunglasses:

Not if you don’t already overpower the content they want to do. And nobody wants an unvetted player in their raid group so there’s the chicken and the egg problem.

I think a lot has to do with the ilvl also. People are getting 385 and 400 pieces raining from the sky. I have 5 or 6 ilvl 400 pieces before we started Heroic.

Having said that, normal mode is easier but I will say the Blockade is a decent challenge at normal and Jaina isn’t a decent one as well. Heroic it does increase a lot in challenge for going from normal to heroic (except the first boss is still cake).

Uldir the first half was easy but the final 3 has a bit of a challenge to them. But if you are doing Uldir now, then of course it is going to be cake since I am sure at least 3/4 of the people in your group were way above the ilvl.

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It means there’s more paths to advance one’s character and it’s working just fine. Not everybody raids or PvPs.

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