Thing is, you haven’t actually proven that I’m “arguing in bad faith”. You’re just saying it. That doesn’t mean that I am. So, yes, you are insulting me before actually having a conversation with me.
Again, it’s not just the single change, but the stockpiles of them that totally and completely destroy the concept of Classic.
If you’re talking about PL being your solution against Ninja-Looting 'cause you run PuGs, yeah that’s not a “fix”. To which other people, not just myself, are against.
Again, just because “it’s not Vanilla, anyway”, is no reason to continue dragging it through the mud.
It’s not an emulation. It’s the same game. Bringing the word “experience” into the discussion only serves to obfuscate what’s being discussed and to move the discussion away from “is the game different” and towards “is the player different”. When discussing the game, it’s not different and there’s no basis for making changes. When discussing the player, it doesn’t matter that they’re different, they’re playing the unaltered game and creating a new experience with it.
Your argument for altering the game has no merit whatsoever.
Semantics, really. The point is the same, there are numerous changes between Vanilla and Classic. No say there should be no changes is to be willfully ignorant.
What we should strive for is to embrace changes which make the game more like the spirit of Vanilla, even if it wasn’t in Vanilla.
Now you’re just ignoring how I’ve pointed out that the game is different so I’m done discussing this. Have a great day!
Having the OPTION to use personal loot is an objective improvement to the game. I didn’t say forcing it on. I didn’t say not allowing people to masterloot.
Allowing a pug to vote to enable personal loot and then the group is locked into personal loot until it’s disbanded would completely eliminate the chance of ninja looting and the need to track DKP, etc. for people who wanted it.
It’s an additional option that would objectively improve the game.
The stockpile that you fear would happen. Again, its paranoia. Barbershop being added has nothing to do with LFG/LFR coming into Classic. LFR/LFG will never be in Classic, that is a given. Barbershop has 0 chance of destroying Classic but 100% chance of making it better.
Barbershop is not the “spirit” of Vanilla.
Achievements are not the “spirit” of Vanilla.
Guild Banks are not the “spirit” of Vanilla.
Personal Loot is not the “spirit” of Vanilla.
The game isn’t different. What you think and feel while playing it are different than what you thought and felt 15 years ago, but that doesn’t make the game different.
No. Using fallacy, such as a slippery slope argument (which you have consistently argued for), then confirming you know that it’s a logical delusion, confirms you are engaging in a type of bad faith argument. Sit.
Uhhhhhhhh it’s literally a different client. Spend ten seconds on the bug report forum and you’ll see how drastically different Classic is from Vanilla.
After Activision finally goes out of business (20 years tops), someone will eventually leak the source code anonymously. We’ll all be old or dead before it happens unfortunately.
But then–finally then–WOW as it was will be preserved.
Are we honestly saying that all of these are the “spirit” of Vanilla? Really?
Never said I was. By all means, you can include yourself to state if these things are the “spirit” of Vanilla because they’re absolutely not.
Vanilla wasn’t about your hair color/style.
Vanilla wasn’t about gathering Achievement points.
Vanilla wasn’t about having a Guild Bank.
Vanilla wasn’t about Personal Loot.
So, I’m eager to hear how these things are the “spirit” of Vanilla or Vanilla being about these things. I can’t wait to hear this.
Still insulting and completely disregarding me without actually providing anything productive.
In the meantime, let’s stop trying to drag it through the mud.
Insulting me is not productive, but you can keep doing it, if you like. I’m clearly having a productive dialogue with or without the Slippery Slope which is still true, even if you don’t want to admit it.
