Anduin, your king, was ready to mount a crusade to give Calia Menethil Lordaeron back.
Turalyon got on his knees and received a blessing from Alonsus Faol, Calia’s adviser.
Calia Menethil has so much influence over the Alliance and it’s humans leaders it’s not even funny.
I think there’s too many “not nice” forsaken to really make Calia able to walk in and be the forsaken leader. The forsaken’s identity is more about the apothecary and having hatred toward humans/scarlet crusade. I think the only place Calia has is in the priest order hall as Alonsus Faol 2.0.
I know she didn’t know. What I’m saying is that maybe that the reason she didn’t know was because she lived on a farm on the borders of Southshore. That isn’t explained, its speculation. Again, most people didn’t know the difference between Forsaken and Scourge at that time.
It does change the fact that there’s this idea that Forsaken “died for it”, when that’s not the only case. Plus there’s a lot of Forsaken who were formerly Stormwind Humans or Gilneans because of the whole Sylvanas raising everyone she could deal. They don’t have a claim to Lordaeron and the legacy of the Forsaken? Are they second class citizens?
I’m done with this circular conversation. You’ll just respond back that Calia should have known something she didn’t, should have died, and has no claim despite many Forsaken agreeing that she actually does hence the Desolate Council and why Sylvanas wanted her out of the picture.
The only thing we will agree on is that Calia shouldn’t lead the Forsaken.
Ooooh this is fun 
but I RP Zaeshural as being a national of Stromgarde, a sovereign nation independent of Stormwind, and the Wrynn dynasty.
In all seriousnes my biggest fear with the introduction of the Warfront is Blizzard possibly forgetting that Stromgarde is in fact its own nation and lumping it in as a vassal state to Stormwind which, anyone who knows the history of Strom, would know would never go over well, considering Stromgarde straight up slaughtered the kingdom of Alterac and laid waste to it for making peace with the old Horde.
Fingers crossed that Danath doesn’t bend a knee to little lion, otherwise I’m going to be a sad Stromgarde RPer 
Almost all of the Forsaken loved their King and the rest of the Menethil family besides Arthas. It’s why the plaque outside of the Undercity talking about the King wasn’t destroyed.
Everything negative you are saying here is personal opinion, or at best, the parroting of other opinions made here on the forums. It counters nearly everything written by Blizzard writers, and their associated novelists. Opinions are not canon.
past tense. I think the identity of the forsaken is no longer the same.
Yeah past tense since the man’s dead lol.
The Forsaken identity has been mangled through the entire game. There are some Forsaken players who look at the Forsaken, see a zombie and then want to go be some evil zombie without looking at what came first.
Before the Storm did a great job at this by making the Forsaken human. They are human. They had lives before all of this. Just because they died and were sentenced to undeath doesn’t mean it changed all of them. Sure, it changed some. But some Forsaken wanted to return to their old lives. They wanted to see their families again.
I think most Forsaken players forget that most of the NPCs they interact with are Lordaeron citizens.
I mean if you go to the Caverns of Time instance for the culling, you’ll see NPCs who were in the undercity. They’re doing the same things they were doing in Stratholme. Just because you’ve become forsaken doesn’t mean you have to change. Many Forsaken didn’t.
They fought for Sylvanas because no one else would fight for them. Now Sylvanas is gone and Calia Menethil is saying she’ll fight for them. She’s a familiar face. So is Alonsus Faol.
Calia Menethil can give the Forsaken something Sylvanas could never give them. A chance to be Lordaeron again.
She’s writing him like a 14 year old would write her dreamboat OC… by making him flawless in any possible way and (possibly) giving him a self insert gf.
Except that’s not what happened. First, she simply vanished, nothing was mentioned of her. Then in Legion, she came up with the story that she was running from a single ghoul. It was now that they came up with the whole “refuge” thing when in legion it’s mentioned that she was incognito there… surprise surprise, the writers can’t keep up with their own stories, yes, but even going for the latest, canon lore, the same people that gave her “refuge” kept a secret that they were actively attacking undead lordearonians?
The entire thing is a disaster, but the fact that she sat and watched as the alive lordaeronians kill the undead ones is still there.
And this doesn’t matter, she’s not a Forsaken.
Which is absolutely ridiculous. The Forsaken should not accept someone that is not a Forsaken again, it already caused enough trouble, a human that happens to be “undead” (and even categorizing her as such it’s being generous) that, yes, very much has connections to the Alliance (which apparently you want to pretend it’s not a thing), is the least they need.
That’s highly possible. I just think it’s boring writing in comparison to the potential the story has. Instead of just turning them into humans, I hope blizz battle hardens Calia to the alliance with the scarlet crusade somehow causing a massive betrayal.
And when that happens they often write the gf as another stand in.
I’m not trying to be all “no only men can be bad writers” oh no it’s something that happens with all sorts of different types.
When did the Forsaken not accept someone who wasn’t Forsaken? You said again, when was the first time?
The funniest part is seeing people complaining about the guy that wrote Sylvanas with the exact same intent but do ignore this example (not saying you, but I’ve seen this around.
Sylvanas. But at the very least, she had, in a way, a similar experience than the Forsaken, if not worse.
I get ya. I don’t like Christie Golden. But girls have a better track record at working on female characters so I didn’t mention her in my spiel about guys that write badly written girls. Or how a dude can accidentally make great lgbt content just because they can’t write girls for beans
If by “forced” you mean she exists…
Not quite. Usually when blizz has characters talk that way its for ship purposes or set up. Again if I’m wrong then I’ll be happy to be wrong
Dude Ellen Ripley is a GOD. I love her. 
I still prefer the term propaganda. I am looking forward to seeing what Blizzard does with this.
Oh yes. The best thing about them is all the target practice they provide.
Um, they didn’t “make peace” with the old horde. They conspired with the old horde to betray and undermine their own allies.