Because its there. Im not saying Id use it in a prolific manner but I cant say Id never use it. I might even try not to use it but knowing its there makes it very likely I will cave into the temptation at least once or twice.
In single player RPGs Ill do things like turn off fast travel in the settings to slow the game down but inevitably I will be confronted with a situation where I wish I had the option to fast travel and then go back into the settings and turn it back on.
I like convenience as much as the next guy. However, Im aware of what too much convenience can do to immersion and investment.
You called me “inquisitorial” and “entitled” and then you said in the same post that I both agreed with the “facts” but I was somehow arguing about the “facts” (hence the stroke comment). Your only consistency is your inconsistency.
That you think anyone other than the echo-chamber crew thinks you came out on top is hilarious.
“I am a mighty Feral Druid, intensely trained in mind and body to maximize my savagery! I even devised a more powerful means of tearing into my foes that substantially wounds them, making any other bleeding attacks more deadly!”
The current system had you return to your class trainer and you pay for him to train you on the basics and complexities of another aspect of your class, and you “spend hours” practicing that aspect of your class to learn it, while growing out of practice with other aspects of your class.
Rpg wise class trainers and respecs can be explained. You trying to hand wave it away doesn’t change that.
No, I go to the trainer and hand them gold. Instantly I have unlearned all the talents I know. Then I follow a guide on wowhead of how to buy talent points and jump right into new content.
I know because I have teleported to Darn from Kara to respec resto. Then the mage who came with me used his magical staff to instantly teleport us back to Kara and then as running to nightbane I specced resto so we could 3 heal it early in progression. How is this different from dual spec except it would have been a little faster?
You palm them money, whoosh your claws are duller, you forget spells. 30s later, you get to possibly resharpen those claws, relearn the same spells, but now your hide is a bit more/less thick because you clicked the wrong thing.
There’s no training. There’s no undo/redo effort. Insert coin, magic yourself into something else, or not.
Because if you’re trying to recreate a game that in any way resembles the original the original design intent is an important and necessary consideration.
I’m not arguing a nochanges here. Simply that if the current devs want players to play the game and think “hey this reminds me in some ways of the original” if that is any part of what they want this game to be, then the design intentions of the original devs is something they will care about.
Popularity is also a consideration but it’s not the only consideration. This is not a new title with new content, there’s no new raid bosses or questline coming out - they are basing this game heavily on the original. When they said changes will happen they put the word “some” in front of it. They’re clearly not just going to take polls for how to make this the best game ever. They want it to be a TBC game.
Where to draw the line for changes is an important question. You draw it solely at popularity, I don’t think that’s where the devs draw it. It’s a factor though. It’s a factor - dev posts said it was - but it’s not the only factor. The original design intentions of various features also appears to be a factor - from arguments they’ve made defending current changes that seem to respect that. It also makes sense that design intent is a factor intuitively - given what Classic TBC aims to be.
You’re creating an absolute out of what I said. I said design intent is a factor - I did not say it was the sole factor.
I don’t read what that posters says and their views carry no weight with me - due to the frequent ad hominin they employ (not in this topic - I haven’t followed anything directly that they’ve said on this topic). If they made a valid point you think I should know about you should tell me yourself.
I haven’t even read their arguments for this topic - I don’t know what they are. I can guess at them by reading responses though but whatever.
That poster has routinely used gross misrepresentation and bullying tactics in the past on unrelated topics and showed that they don’t operate on these forums in good faith. They were blocked well before this topic came up. I don’t truck with bullies. I certainly don’t pay $15 a month to do so.
Why you are white knighting for him is beyond me - what’s it to you if I do or do not read that persons posts? Can’t you form your own opinions and communicate them yourself? Why not leave other posters out of it and tell me what your argument is?
I didn’t bring Fasc into this btw you did. There’s a reason I don’t interact with him - respect that or join him on the ignore pile - I’m under no obligation to interact with people I don’t wish to.
Well we have been wasting our time because I have not responded to some of your posts because he has. I am not interested going back and finding them all to do so. The main point is they are interested in making TBCC more in line with what modern gamers want. You can see this in the fact with the unprecedented same faction BGs.
Good job on baiting me into changing the subject from the fact that people do want dual spec and that it would be good for more in game participation. I fell for it, well done.
I guess you will need to be the first person I ignore on the forums so I can see what its like hiding from people with different opinions.
Fasc and I had very long posts of differing opinions on the feral energy tick changes and the crazy thing is I never felt the need to ignore someone with a different opinion than I had.
I have - to your comments, those are the comments I responded to. It’s not my problem that Blizzard don’t moderate their forums. Who I chose to engage with is entirely my own affair. I am more than happy to have reasonable discussion and disagreement with people that don’t breach the ToS and show basic levels of mutual respect.
If Blizz won’t enforce standard decent behaviour I’ll reserve the right to do it for myself. You don’t get the right to obligate me to do otherwise.
You made the assumption that I was following your pack leaders comments and replying to them … well you got me too - I made the assumption you were speaking for yourself and that your views were your own.
Here you are having swings at me for not paying the troll his bridge tax - lol.
If you want respect then stop acting like a jerk all the time. When people start baiting and trolling me eventually the gloves come off. Im not going to sit there and take it post after post. However, if you want to have a real discussion, however heated, if you treat me with respect then I will respond in kind.
I didnt come out on top of anything because I wasnt trying to - Im more interested in getting it right than being right. Im not even trying to prevent people from getting dual specs, I could care less if dual specs make it into TBC or not. I will not sit idly by however and watch a sycophants spew nonsense and lies by the boatload and think its an acceptable way to lobby for game changes.
But Im starting to think I did win something because this is the sorriest sore loser tripe Ive seen in some time.
There is little emotional difference on being on the receiving end of a well-formulated argument that decimates your own… and being cleverly trolled. They both feel like tricks. Just because you feel trolled, doesn’t mean you’re actually being trolled.
Get your own house in order before you project this nonsense onto the rest of us.
I don’t normally make this declaration as it is usually an admission of just not understanding what was said, but this is utter word salad tripe.
Who are the “sycophants”?
Who are the “sycophants” slavishly seeking approval from?
Who has lied?
What was the lie?
How are the lies relevant to the supposed sucking up these people are doing?
What is the standard for lobbying for changes?
None of this even remotely mixes, let alone makes sense? Do you think I’m sucking up to someone? Am I sucking up to Blizzard? How is that a problem? None of this makes any sense because it isn’t coherent in the slightest. You sit here whinging about respect given and respect received and you just called someone, vaguely, as someone mindlessly echoing the position of someone above them (we don’t know who) and is lying in the process… and that’s bad for lobbying… because REASONS™.
This is the worst video ever but I love that it is the first hit for “I’m not mad, you’re mad” on Google.
