Hey, my account isn’t deleted and I’m still posting.
Guess that means I didn’t do what you told me to.
Now what?
This thread got really stupid! 
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You admitted you didn’t know what you were talking about, so everyone is just going to ignore you now <3
Enjoy being ignored
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Like you ignored me?
Wait, if you ignored me, why are you still replying to me?
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Your confusing a locked object or action with a blocked action.
Being locked from doing an action means there is some type of key to unlock it.
Being blocked from an action means it cannot be done under any condition.
And by that definition dual spec is as locked as the current respec mechanism 
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So Vanilla respec is like a super cheap one-use key we have to constantly remake whereas Dual Spec is a fancy, expensive master key that never breaks?
I am now amending my position to be pro-Master Key for TBCC. Anyone that wants the one-shot key is just too obsessed with throwaway consumer culture and lacks a valid opinion or life experience to comment.
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Imagine doing the Kara attunement every week just to get the key again because it disappears every reset. 
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M E A N I N G F U L C H O I C E S
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because its not like that on wotlk private servers, theres plenty of people that want DS for pvp, and theres also people like me that like being a tank/healer combo, or a healer/dps combo. all of the good players have gear for both specs already, even gear for a pvp/healing spec, if i wanna heal a heroic id have to respec out of tank, and go heals for 1 heroic then switch back to tanking for raid, then back again for bgs/heroics.
nobody can formulate a logic answer of how DS will hurt TBC.
Current TBC isnt the same as BC, the pvp is system is ruined, the Constant plague of bots and boosting killed any content prior to end game content, and even end game content is so heavily gate kept that now you have 60% of a server just raid logging, or unsubbed waiting for the next patch to come out.
so the idea of “#nochanges” was thrown out the window way before TBC beta even began.
just strap in boomer and lets get these changes rollin.
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Imagine!
So presently we have the old coots clamoring to keep a system where we just palm one of the Kirin Tor Mages 50g every time we want to sneak into Karazhan for the day, but it isn’t just the cost that’s silly! Every time you do it, you have an unskippable cut-scene in which the NPC peers around while ominously explaining that no one ever comes back alive or unchanged, as the camera slowly pans over the desolate husk of a town and slowly sweeps up the tower. However, the tension of the moment is entirely gone by the 15th time you’ve seen it and it doesn’t eliminate any assets from the world so instead of an empty entrance you see the 87 other players dumbly staring at the entrance as they go through the same cinematic as you. This all takes about a minute and a half to go through.
Then you have the Master Key proponents, who would much rather go through a single upfront cost or something else, ANYTHING else, just so that they can waltz in anytime they want and avoid the annoyance plus the silly toll of just wanting to do the Raid. Some rather creative soul comes up with a semi-convoluted set of dungeon quests leading us up to Medivh himself lending us his key. Lore friendly and requires time investment right? WRONG!
The old coots are outraged! How dare you try to make the game more convenient?! And you’re SKIPPING the cut-scene? Don’t you know there are addons that let you do that, even though your screen just sorta fades to black for 20 sec before you can do anything?! Do you even LIKE playing RPGs!!! Now you’ll just have tons of gold!! Don’t you tell me that you only did Kara once a week and full cleared it, YOU don’t count, everyone ELSE is going to be flush with cash now!! Go play Retail if you want to zone into places without paying gold… so entitled… so lazy… UGH!!
Let’s add Dual Spec but make it some combination requirement of Exalted Consortium and Exalted Keepers of Time that then let’s us do some lengthy space-time distortion quest that results in two versions of ourselves being able to occupy the same space at the same time, and the final reward is being able to control which version is present at any given time. Definitely have it require Heroics and definitely have us go all over Outland and Azeroth to finish it as well.
Then following usual WoW fashion, anything that took a huge convoluted quest chain to complete in the previous expansion is now just a simple trainer option in the later expansion (see: epic class mounts).
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Yes, it comes down to some sense of self-superiority in how stringently you adhere to the OG. There’s really nothing more to it than that. It’s like folks who say they are “true fans” of any given material because they’re into the lore or they played the older games, etc. So somehow they believe they’re owed some authority in what they have to say about it.
“I’m a bigger consumer of media than you are, which means I’m better than you!”
Lead that into parses.
“I parse better than you, which means I’m better than you!”
Adherence to the lore, the meta, or any of these aspects just gives makes them think they’re got some authoritative stance on it. Inadvertently, I feel like Blizzard caters to that.
I don’t believe for a moment people consumer “lore” because it’s inherently fascinating or self-enlightening. People do it for any occasion where they wanna pull a “Well, actually…” on someone else, just as a flex. It’s just another way people like to shove their own sense of intelligence on others.
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Exactly strong RPG are solely defined by how much of a time sink they are.
Some people seem to think that people set out to play WoW X hours a week and that the cost of respecs is just a reshuffling of how that time is spent. When in reality people will play some to do some specific objective in game and how much they play beyond that is determined by how much they can do spontaneously. Which lack of dual spec inhibits.
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And you use “what the devs wanted” or “intended” as an argument point. Why?
That is already known. Durrrr. When we are asking for a change, we are obviously asking for a change of what the devs implemented. What point are you trying to make when you state a fact that is the reason for us wanting to change it. Its like saying you want bacon instead of sausage. Uh, but the cook wanted you to have sausage. Duh, no sht, i know that, thats the reason im asking it to be changed to bacon.
And if you are trying at all to imply that the devs made everything perfect then you are absolutely wrong. Time after time they have admitted that some stuff was not a good idea. Stuff like dual spec is one of them. It is a silly design choice. Not to have dual spec. That is already in the game. Even the bad devs knew that not allowing spec change is a stupid idea. The mistake they made was how to implement the spec change. What is the process if changing specs. Stop playing the game and go travel to a trainer. Waste if time and not fun. Adds no value to the game. Reallocate all of the points. Time consuminng, potential for error and not fun. Spend gold to do it. Waste of gold for no reason and not fun. End result, limiting content available unless you want to do that whole process again. Not fun at all.
So the devs idea to handle spec changes is at the end if the day. Just a burden. Making the overall experience if the whole game less enjoyable. Yeah. Bad game design. Glad they fixed it at least at a future date. To bad they wouldnt have woken up sooner so we would not be having these rediculous discussions about it.
You are not entitled to dual specs in TBC, period. Pro dual spec logic is specious at best and that’s me being extremely kind. You’re opinion on game design is not something that begs consideration. Get over yourselves already.
Just beg Blizz to rush Wrath in.
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No one thinks they are.
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See, I gotta admit, I personally don’t think they will implement Dual Spec even though evidence would suggest be in their best interest to do so for the health of the game and for the benefit of all the people playing it. For lulls like waiting between phases for new content, new content can present itself in the form of collecting new gear for a different spec.
I doubt they’ve even looked into it that much and I doubt they’re even paying much attention to these forums anymore. I mean, I was genuinely surprised that they reached out concerning the Druid fix but that could very easily have been a fluke.
But Delimicus’s noticing how Wowhead’s announcement coupled with claims that the Engineering Goggles and Epic Flight Form were being released last week make me wonder if Blizzard is mostly ignoring what’s on the forums or even going on in-game. Hell, the Group Finder has me convinced they’re really not trying hard enough to make Classic TBC as worthwhile as they could be.
It’s possible, regardless of how often people make a Dual Spec post, the devs aren’t even remotely aware of it as a topic.
Actions speak louder than words.
When people ramble on about time being wasted and bad game design and the merits of modern gameplay and how dual specs are being gatekept by a bunch of bads who dont understand what a good game is etc etc etc then yeah, there’s entitlement at work.
Just cuz they say it isnt entitlement doesnt mean they’re correct or honest about it. Yall dont even try to disguise it so why bother?
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This is another thing I’ve noticed too. I think Zipzo and Riger do it too. It’s throwing out these non-sequitor slogan that has nothing to do with the subject-matter whatsoever. But, because it’s a slogan, they believe it must be adhered to.
And what’s this, even? Like what am I supposed to do with this? Is he expecting something along the lines of…
“Yes, I’ve examined the wisdom of your words and their meaning.”
“Just because I make baseless accusations doesn’t mean I’m incorrect!”
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See, if you truly believed that dual specs were non optional fluff that doesn’t have a single, justifiable reason to go in and could safely live without, we could all agree on that and go about our day. Instead, you’re going after me for pointing out the hypocrisy of saying we’re not entitled one bit but we would still like them in there due to our non entitlement. If you want something and expect it for no reason you’re entitled. Facts of life.
You’re a flat out joke at this point.
What’s baseless? The mere fact that you are arguing with people over dual specs after admitting theyre not necessary at all reinforces the fact that you’re a dishonest shill…and the guy who points that out is somehow to blame?
gimme a break dude.
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