No, seriously, we REALLY don't all want Dual Spec in TBC

[Rozgul-mankrik]

Correct. Very astute.

[Kumasama-westfall]

Just wanted to make it clear your argument is just your head fantasy and not reality.

[Kumasama-westfall]

@Fasc-atiesh

And then the hatred.

Oh, I know. He just throws these little barbs in every one and a while. I think it’s his way of trying to force the issue. Like, if you disagree then you’re admitting you’re a “lazy person” or whatever he thinks of you.

Browbeating. Plain and simple.

“You agree with me right? Because you’re stupid if you don’t. You’re not stupid, are you?”

That kind of thing.

[Rozgul-mankrik]

I just want to say that just like when TBC was announced, I’m going to have a good bit of satisfaction going back and reading posts where TBC’ers hated on Wraith and said it would never happen. Sweats spent hours upon hours on here trolling peoples posts saying vanilla should have been the only version, and then I see a few of those SAME people rolling around with 70 avatars now on these forums and it’s hilarious.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Kumasama-westfall

Like, if you disagree then you’re admitting you’re a “lazy person” or whatever he thinks of you.

You see this nonsense he pulled in the other thread?

@Bearyalln-tichondrius

God, it’s scary that someone actually has this mind set. When did people forget that video games are supposed to be fun, and not a deterrent.

@Zipzo-atiesh

All video games have something that the player must overcome to do another thing, unless you’re for the complete abolishment of literally any obstacle in any game? At that point it’s not even a game, so much as a virtual playhouse.

Pure, unadulterated misrepresentation with the sole intent of shaming.

[Kumasama-westfall]

While we’re in the realm of “what-ifs” How about that Dual Spec for TBC Classic?

[Rozgul-mankrik]

Sounds cool, I support it.

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Novokaine-skeram

They matter just as much with Dual Spec

No.

@Novokaine-skeram

You still have to pay 50g to respec each spec.

No.

@Novokaine-skeram

The only difference is the choice you are making are the subtleties between your PvP spec or PvE spec and your desired playstyle (This is a choice that is meaningful in an RPG)

No.

@Novokaine-skeram

Instead of now where your choice is whether to log on farm gold for 30 minutes to an hour to see if you want to do Arena in between raid days OR stay logged off in between raid days (This is not a meaningful choice in an RPG).

No.

@Novokaine-skeram

One choice is good for the game, the other kills participation.

It doesn’t.

What happens is: you wanna be top on everything you have downsides.
Like… the cost of re-spec.

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

[Kumasama-westfall]

@Thereza-netherwind

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

I have cake that I’m eating.

[Fuzzydice-earthfury]

@Zipzo-atiesh

You don’t

Once again, you have no idea how much gold I have.

@Zipzo-atiesh

they officially now contribute more to each environment

So the game is now better for everyone.

@Zipzo-atiesh

It didn’t cost anything, therefore there was no choice of significance made, with no residual effects of that choice to be concerned about.

Right, so dual spec has no significant impact on the game, you just don’t like it.

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Kumasama-westfall

I have cake that I’m eating.

If you ate it, you don’t have it.

[Kumasama-westfall]

I am ate it?!

[Fuzzydice-earthfury]

@Thereza-netherwind

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

This is one of the dumbest statements in history…why would you have cake if you can’t eat it.

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Fuzzydice-earthfury

why would you have cake if you can’t eat it.

For those who didn’t study English, I present you the explanation:

You can’t have your cake and eat it (too) is a popular English idiomatic proverb or figure of speech. The proverb literally means “you cannot simultaneously retain your cake and eat it”. Once the cake is eaten, it is gone. It can be used to say that one cannot have two incompatible things, or that one should not try to have more than is reasonable. The proverb’s meaning is similar to the phrases “you can’t have it both ways” and “you can’t have the best of both worlds.”

For those unfamiliar with it, the proverb may sound confusing due to the ambiguity of the word ‘have’, which can mean ‘keep’ or ‘to have in one’s possession’, but which can also be used as a synonym for ‘eat’ (e.g. ‘to have breakfast’). Some find the common form of the proverb to be incorrect or illogical and instead prefer: “You can’t eat your cake and [then still] have it (too)”. Indeed, this used to be the most common form of the expression until the 1930s–1940s, when it was overtaken by the have-eat variant. Another, less common, version uses ‘keep’ instead of ‘have’.

Choosing between having or eating a cake illustrates the concept of trade-offs or opportunity cost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_can%27t_have_your_cake_and_eat_it

Basically, you can’t have it both ways.
It is a message to those asking dual spec. There is a cost between the choice of re-speccing and removing the choice remove the meaning of the game as a RPG.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Thereza-netherwind

There is a cost between the choice of re-speccing and removing the choice remove the meaning of the game as a RPG.

Name RPGs that lock you into your character choice such as the spells, equipment, abilities, etc that you use.

[Rozgul-mankrik]

Something something uphill in the snow. Heard the same things before TBC was announced on the vanilla forums. And before that? ON retail forums as well, ‘‘You think you do, but you don’t’’.

[Novokaine-skeram]

@Thereza-netherwind

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

This sums up how ridiculous your post was.

@Thereza-netherwind

@Novokaine-skeram

One choice is good for the game, the other kills participation.

It doesn’t.

What happens is: you wanna be top on everything you have downsides.

I respec whenever I want, what happens that I can’t control is other people don’t queue up for arena’s during raid progression so regardless of how I manage my gold, I get shafted. Less people play arena. Lower participation is objectively bad for the game.

[Fuzzydice-earthfury]

@Thereza-netherwind

remove the meaning of the game as a RPG

Like having the same factions fight each other in a BG…got it.

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Novokaine-skeram

I respec whenever I want, what happens that I can’t control is other people don’t queue up for arena’s during raid progression so regardless of how I manage my gold, I get shafted. Less people play arena. Lower participation is objectively bad for the game.

Raid progression? this is a joke right.

What you’re complaining about is another problem we have anticipated. It has nothing to do with dual spec.

The problems were:

• Rating of the weapons and gear in S1 and S2
• rating starting at 0
• Personal rating working much similar to retail.

We told that people wouldn’t queue for Arenas and several casuals wouldn’t play.

Dual spec has nothing to do with the low participation in Arena.

[Novokaine-skeram]

@Thereza-netherwind

Dual spec has nothing to do with the low participation in Arena.

No

/10char

Also cake tastes good, you are allowed to eat it when you have one.