the first weekend test showed exactly why premades needed to be broken- it fixed the queue times, but in doing so, nearly every bg was premade vs solo’s… and it wasn’t pretty.
5 friend is enough if u can make a difference with 5 of you. You are not good enough and should think about playing a game like ff14 were there is no pvp.
I get the best player i can all on disc il carry most of everything just me and arena partner we just 2 8 random player. The amount of there terrible player is plentiful ! Every bg that i do there always a player who will break a sheep or a trap that would seal the game. break a healer off is sheep then he can heal the fc the fc the on the other side die! GG this guys officially made your team lose.
Some people are extremely heavy for real this what am more worried about.
Imagine being this dense
…they’re unable to make a 2nd/3rd group and queue up?
the reason is that it is not fun for pug, why is it so hard to understand?
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We’re supposed to believe this? 
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Nice job. You pointed out all the reasons why making pre-made games is unfair. Why would you do that when you’re trying to defend pre-made teams?
Even though it’s lame and doesn’t make any sense, at least the people using the “social” defense are smart enough to not sabotage the argument.
Just have your 5 man groups queue at the same time, like they’re doing in AV, since you’re soooOOOOOooooo coordinated.
Waaahhhhh!!! I didn’t go through the trouble of forming a premade to NOT steamroll pugs or worse yet, only face other premades, Waaaahhhhh!!!
an easier fix would be putting full premade on a 20 min wait if they cant find another premade then give them a game. Premade games go fast so if its premade vs premade everyday i dont think anyone is going to care. Its a almost free win that most people have to work 20 mins to get anyway.
Sure bring premades back, just make it so premades only fight premades. Imagine all the friends that could be made that way!
Pretty much. Where’s the problem?
Horde cried - Blizzard complied.
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I don’t see a problem. Pug farmers stop premading and queue solo for the 50/50 win/loss, premades can still vs other premades and enjoy one of the most fun things about the game.
thats really impossible. i have many friends, some from real life, some people i have met in game, plus guildmates.
especially classic and tbc classic tends to be an older crowd. many dont have hours to play, or can only play off hours (for me its mornings)
if you just want to log on for an hour and play a battleground or two, pre-mading is unrealistic even if you have many friends.
ive always been for premade vrs premade, but with a bonus. maybe double honor, so that there is a benefit to forming a successful premade team, but not at the expense of the average player.
I would be ok with premades if they only were paired with other premades. Pugs shouldn’t go up against PM. Just not fair for a group lookin to casually get a few games in to go up vs a PM. If you disagree then I assume you just enjoy zero competition and it’s not really about the pvp. Discuss if you want.
I don’t believe you.
this guy get. Dont force us to try hard… Like i dont know i just wanna vs people that also are pug like me since i enjoy 1v1 the most actually randomly meeting a rogue but you know wen 20 people turn on making sure you cant have fun i dont know. Why you have to try so hard …
Horde cried about how long it took to queue - Blizzard “FIXED!”
Horde then cried about premades ruining their fast queue experience - Blizzard “FIXED!”
They talk about using modern tech for modern problems, but don’t let premades go vs premades? Just straight up kill all social interaction options?
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This change accomplishes the same thing. Premade vs Premade only would kill all premades, everyone would make groups of the maximum size to avoid the special premade queue.
Regardless of what these “play with friends” posters claim, if you matched them only vs other premades and they got camped in the gy by sweaties every game, they would quit doing it.
They probably really have been doing it “for fun”, but that fun comes at the expense of the solo queue players they camp in the gy. They would not queue at all if it was premade vs premade.
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