First, the purge of Dalaran remains ignored.
Second because she’s an invincible character. She does not seem to be a component in lore, lore revolves around her when she’s there as if she’s the protagonist of some Golden’s book.
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It wasn’t random, it was for a reason. The reason just happened to be wrong. And the fact that she’s never accepted responsibility for what happened is exactly why she’s a ruined character.
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or maybe blizzard wanted to use that as a character flaw.
in the benefit of horde players.
only that they failed horribly.
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Jaina is bipolar.
Absorb power must have messed with her mind.
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The only flaw Jaina has been presented to have is not being able to forgive enough.
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But we already know that Sylvanas’s justifications are just excuses, thanks to BtS. And the horde player isn’t just some civilian. They’ve been made one of the driving forces of this whole faction war.
In my opinion, alliance NPC and player opinions aren’t necessary to make the horde PC a monster. Our own story does that well enough when it comes to the faction war.
RP posts always conceive the most constructive lore discussions.
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I never cared about her from the get go. I’v had my low points with her, (Purge of Dalaran) but that’s about it. And when it comes to the attack on Theramore I even have less sympathy for her than I do for Teldrassil, because she had that attack 100% coming. Sure bombing it was overkill but the attack in general was justified.
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…I know I’m gonna regret this, but…
Aki, you’ve repeatedly shown you lack empathy toward Horde player concerns (and no, trying to point to in-universe Horde crimes to this accusation is not some epig gotcha, like you seem to assume it is earlier in the thread). What Horde players see as what they were sold does indeed matter. Just as Night Elf players who mourn the loss of the “fierce nelves” matter.
Why should the Horde be sacrificed on what you want instead of what its players want?
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You’ve been around here, you know that argument is disingenuous. Narratively, yes they have always been powerful in their own right. However, as was pointed out, Tyrande has become the literal embodiment of Elune’s vengeance. An already powerful priestess, with plenty of experience militarily, spiritually, and politically, needs a further upgrade. I never doubted Malfurion’s actual power, but it seemed dormant from WC3 until now with bits of it peeking out to check the weather.
Jaina has gotten actual story progression for hers, yes, but was the Flying Dutchman really needed? Was her elemental one shotting elite mages really needed? The World Shaman, future Earth Warder, Protector of the Elements unable to reign in control of the water elementals she bound to her ? Single handedly stopping the Horde’s champions in their tracks at their ship, with our own powerful magic users? Getting away from their recent attack with seemingly hardly a scratch against the Horde’s most powerful champions? Its disheartening and seemingly unrealistic for proper story telling, even for fantasy.
In the same amount of time the Horde’s mages are made to seem inept or simply average compared to her, our strongest warrior is helpless against a druid, our other strong warrior is spineless and is scared of his own deadly image, our own power crept leader is almost powerless (and not even actively within the Horde), leaving us with Sylvanas in an already polarizing story point behind a narrative that is her own fault. Such a great leader to rally behind…
Its not being a cry baby, its seeing the narrative’s leaders and the story have become a bit lop sided and criticizing it as objectively as possible. Being lop sided isn’t inherently bad, except for when you pitch those sides against each other and expect a compelling narrative.
By Jaina logic, the Alliance should have won before Darkshore was a thing. She has to be made temporarily inept for the Horde story to continue. Same for Malfurion and Tyrande. By Horde logic, we have no leaders that can defend us so what good are they? What good is our own magic, skill, and beliefs to the obviously superior Alliance?
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now you know why nobody wanted this war in the first place,at least not with the imbalance of characters.
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I’ve always wanted the faction war, Im the weirdo that loves it. I don’t mind losing, being kicked down and having to recover. It drives the narrative further for me. What I do mind is how this narrative has been given to us. Its poor story telling. The premise isn’t poor, total war between Horde and Alliance, but the reasoning has been atrocious.
I wouldn’t have minded the imbalance before the Battle of Lordearon because there was no drastic imbalance. What they’ve done however is comparative to dropping a 2 ton weight on a hand scale. They could have shown the Nightborne’s abilities, Rommath’s, Aethas’, Shadow Hunter Magic, and it would have balanced out but they didn’t. A recurring Genn vs Saurfang battle would have been great to see, it would be even, unlike the ‘too old warrior vs 10,000 year old demi god’ that we got.
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I’m not sure about the rest of the players, but personally my heavy dislike of the character has nothing to do with her “hating the Horde”. I dislike her since ToW cause since then she literally became this influential badly written Bipolar Mary Sue pet of the writers, so awful and incoherent that literally entire Horde characters get ruined to advance the already awful narrative devs used for her “extremist pro-Alliance” development. Baine became a tool entirely dedicated to chant to us players how wonderful poor wittle Jaina is (ignoring altogether her own responsability on the Theramore fiasco and making him anything but relatable Horde side), Aethas literally became the poster child for incompetence and lack of dignity so poor wittle Jaina had an excuse to go on one of her hysterical temper tantrums (making him fail thrice at the same damn thing so she can claim to be right is nothing short of mean and childish), Thrall became pathetic just so poor wittle Mary Sue Jaina could make a show of her Opness.
I dislike Jaina cause she -just like Anduin- is literary speaking a walking menace and a cancer for Horde characters unfortunate enough to have contact with her; frankly Lor’themar was the exception and he too got his lulworthy side back in 5.1 dialogue (heck even already badly written characters friendly to her like Veeresa came out worse for wear after the atrocious narrative surrounding Jaina from ToW to Legion).
Look, enjoy her as much as you want. Just keep that disaster fartest possible from the few decent Horde characters we have left.
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False. Personally, I developed a distaste for Jaina when I realized she was pumping Alliance troops into the Barrens and reinforcing them with resources from Theramore while preaching peace back in… Wrathish? Somewhere around there.
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People Horde side hate Jaina for many things, for me she’s a slightly “nicer” version of Sylvanas and probably how Sylvanas should have been written, but unlike Sylvanas Jaina is beyond approach and is quite literately teflon. Every “bad” thing she does get immediately retconned to not be as bad.
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Prepare for disappointment.
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Hey, remember when Jaina abandoned her team against the Legion and Varian died as a result? Anduin ever raise that with his “Aunty”?
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Leave it to the Horde to call an invasion “Self defense”
In Durotar?
I walk away for an Hour and get 24 replies, so, sorry if I don’t respond to some of your.
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- Instigated the massacre and mass imprisonment of Civilians due to the actions of one spy.
- Keeps flip-flopping between foaming at the mouth and being something close to her old self.
- Can teleport herself to safety when she’s in danger, but couldn’t do the same for Varian.
- Abandoned the Alliance in Legion because she had a hissy fit over being outvoted.
- Is a Mary Sue in general and acts as a walking deus ex machina.
- Allowed Alliance forces to use her city to attack the Horde and gets surprised when the Horde actually fight back.
- Led a pointless attack on Dazar’alor that won the Alliance nothing. (Seeing as blowing up the fleet was Mekkatorque’s job and everything after that was a waste of time).
Why do people even like her? Because she’s “hot”?
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nah. it doesn’t. but it does remain justified. You don’t bomb cities and steal artifacts so you can commit genocide without some sort of comeuppance.
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