No Furbolgs? 
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I transcribed it personally. Read the OP. And regardless, stating that none are planned for launch does not imply that there are plans post-launch. Particularly when he stated overtly that there are no current plans at all.
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While I do agree with you on AR have very limited customisations, while unique very limited but hey, Iâll take 7-10 unique hair, beard, moustache customisations over nothing than re using Bronzebeard assets.
Also not to forget unique Racials, heritage armour, mount, possibly Druids etc.
But I do feel all Allied Races need to be revisited and given further customisations. They are greatly lacking.
But the reason Iâm very passionate about further Allied Races and Core races is the WoW universe is large, many of these factions being requested are already within Alliance and Horde and have been so for many years and expansions. Look at Ogres for example they are already inter grated within the Horde for some time, The Taunka in Wrath literally had a quest line where in the end the join the Horde.
Yet why arnt they playable?, I feel like having such diversity is one of the things that makes WoW unique, theirs a race out their for everyone regardless on how popular or unpopular they are, theirs a character for you.
I personally donât like Mechagnomes, it isnât for me, I know a few people who fell in love instantly with the race and spent small fortunes race changing to them.
Look at WoWs biggest competition, I love FF14 to death, I actually feel like itâs far better mmo in all aspects but the one thing I canât stand is A) no chat bubbles, but you can mod that in and B) lack of race choices, it kills me that itâs so limited everyone feels like carbon copies.
To me WoW having such great diversity is what keeps me going, and makes me come back, play Alts re level, I love joining raids and groups where theirs such huge variety in races.
Edit: People can love Allied Races or Hate them but in the end they add replay ability to some while giving a race they connect/feel better with and revenue to Blizzard, both sides win.
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But why not just add these to regular Dwarves? Why would you ask them to make a new race that can only be limited to these new features when you could ask for them to be added to a race that already has a ton of other features you can mix and match them with? Also, Iâm sorry, but Wildhammer Dwarves and Dark Irons arenât too dissimilar from Ironforge Dwarves. Thereâs no shame in having access to some default dwarf hair options, especially when theyâre so simple that humans and gnomes share some of them.
Thatâs the problem though. Blizzard is never going to spend as much time working on ARâs as the core races. This is why ARâs having access to the pool of customizations that their core race variants have is important in filling in the gaps of their own limited customizations (like the fact that thereâs only one good Magâhar orc male hairstyle). But then, once you start giving the ARâs all these core race options, you start to realize that making them their own race to begin with was kind of silly. Dark Irons have always had the same hairstyles and many other features as Ironforge Dwarves, so separating them for separationâs sake was always a strange decision which was almost exclusively made to sell as a feature for a new expansion.
I completely agree and Iâm not opposed to new races/allied races. In fact, the reason why I disagree with your and Blizzardâs current stance on ARâs is because I think itâs actively harmful in helping to represent the different varieties of each race. Magâhar Orcs and Dark Irons are much worse off for being ARâs because you arenât permitted to make them look like Magâhar from TBC/WoD or Dark Irons from Vanilla/Cataâmostly because if you could, it would delegitimize their âdifferentnessâ and force you to question why they arenât just new skin options for the default races. This is all because, at the end of the day, the NPCâs of these identites that weâve known for years have always used the default race rigs with just some NPC only skin options available. Minus the skin color (and eyes for Dark Irons), you could always replicate the NPCâs of these groups you encountered using the character creation menu. As such, BfA shouldâve just added a ton of new skin tones for all these groups so you could make your Orc or Dwarf 100% identical to these groups. If you find Old WoWâs ways of differentiating the Dwarven/Orcish clans too simplistic, thatâs fine, but beyond whatever new hairstyles you want to add, let us faithfully recreate the races that weâve grown to know and love over the years rather than giving us a playable artistic interpretation of them (having Dark Irons with flaming beards wasnât worth it for the cost of the entire Dwarven customization menu).
Because it doesnât have allied races it looks small? 
Restrictions are often just as important as additions. If âDwarfâ is just a giant hodgepodge of Bronzebeard, Wildhammer, Dark Iron and whatever else, none of those individual identities matter or are respected. You donât get a strong thematic for any of them.
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gnolls would be a nice addition to match 
Cool. Iâm not saying they should just add customizations and be done with it though? As weâve seen with even core races being ignored for xpacs on end, making these things Allied Races isnât going to net any more respect for them than making them customizations. I also donât get what you mean by âthematicâ here.
I just wish Blizz never made ARâs tbh. It feels like a lot people simply think now that ARâs are the only way to give any sort of respect to subgroups with races which is unfortunate. The AR system is easily the most over-complicated solution to a much larger problem and in many ways, Iâd argue, actually damages the groups it seeks to represent.
How would a dwarf with red eyes, flaming beard, feathers in his mohawked hair, clad in Ironforge armour popping Stoneform honour any of the cultures that originated those things?
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I mean races like Naga have bigger chances now of happening in the future with the creation of the dragon race. Especially with the creature form having their armor as a unique customizable option.
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So youâre saying exclusivity is the point? That forcing people whoâd like to play Dark Irons to not have any features similar to that of Ironforge and Wildhammer Dwarves honors their identity? Even though:
A) Dark Irons have had many of the same customization options as Ironforge Dwarves since Vanilla since they were literally created using the same rig, just with additional skin color variants and fiery eyes.
B) Blizzard is never going to make it so Dark Irons have the same number of customizations as regular Dwarves, so youâre essentially just forcing Dark Iron players to play with a few scraps and limited options when at the very least their pool of customizations couldâve been supplemented with regular Dwarf options had they been part of the core race.
At this point youâre basically just ignoring the culture of the Dark Irons and are just arguing for the existence of the gameplay feature itself. Iâm sorry, but these new hairstyles and aesthetics that have been given to the Dark Irons and Magâhar were not initially part of their lore or aestheticâthey were invented by Blizz in BfA just to differentiate them and market them as different races. Dark Irons had always been as simple as dark dwarves and Magâhar had always been just brown (and occasionally grey) orcs. I liked that simplicity, and itâs what I fell in love with when seeing their NPCâs in Searing Gorge and Nagrand respectably. But because theyâre now cut off from regular Dwarf and Orc customizations, this means that the Dark Iron and Magâhar Allied Races are practically only those groups in a skin-deep fashion. Believe it or not, though, as a long-standing Magâhar fan, Iâd love to actually play the Magâhar Orcs from the game World of Warcraft rather than whoever these guys with mostly unappealing hairstyles are.
I like the AR system (conceptually). But I think it should really be deployed solely for races that are mostly biologically distinct but who use assets from already playable races (i.e. Broken, Wretched, Tuskarr, etc.). In that regard, Zandalari and Vulepera truly stand out to me as the best among the Allied Races given to us in BfA (even though Iâm not that big of a fan of Vulpera). To me, Lightforged Draenei, Magâhar Orcs, Dark Iron Dwarves, and Highmountain Tauren are the four worst Allied Races explicitly because they just rob their core variants of more customization options as well as rob people who like those identites from having a larger catalogue of customization options (especially Lightforged; I think Draenei are the only core race still stuck with one eye color, so giving them that golden eye option wouldâve been sick).
TL:DR: The Allied Race system is great for adding wildly new things to the game that use rigs and assets from already playable races. When used to add just new variants of already-playable races to the game, however, it just ends up making those identities feel smaller by limiting their options and also depriving them of really basic things (is the Dark Iron culture really so different from Ironforge that ladies canât wear something as simple as the bob haircut? A hairstyle that even Humans and Gnomes share?).
The good will is simply gone which is not surprising after the lawsuit and the developers have been very unreasonable.
Who cares?
Driving a new car across a boring landscapes that you have driven 100 times before doesnât make the journey any less boring.
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Thatâs fine. We already have a ton of races available and we are getting Dracthyr, arguably the most ambitious new race of all time.
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Having taken the same journey in a succession of new vehicles⊠I disagree.
Not at all. There are many options that can be shared. But not cultural options, like the fiery stuff, or the feathers, or the racials, or heritage armour, or even mounts. They just need to be more cognizant about sharing what should be shared.
I have a feeling your right. I wonder if they know that and are just planning on doing bigger patches? More likely they have no clue what they are doing, but I guess we will see.
what are they making for the horde? or are they making a neutral race??
Drathyr is the only race currently planned. They can be either Alliance or Horde.
You mean I wonât be able to have my FAN FANTASY with Hogger!? 