That was my post, did I say I was in at the start? Nope. Said I heard them just fine.
When I found out about the late thing I said didn’t know. But you made it a whole thing, because I assume you have zero else on your agenda as a whole. I mean, this is a normal thing for you, proactively seeking out silly things to call out on everyone.
Do you feel better calling people liars? When in fact I did not lie, I heard it just fine at the point I joined in.
I take it back, you aren’t even a troll, you are a kid looking for a fight, it’s adorkable!
I never tried to say they were made by the same team. OP is the one making these comparisons, not me. All I said was that cosmetics being cut don’t hold the same weight as content being cut. One is a side flair to a larger picture of the game, one potentially cuts the game’s longevity by a significant margin depending on how important that content is.
I’m not entirely convinced you read my post, either. Much of what you’re saying to me seems either unrelated to what I was saying at all, or completely ignored my other remarks. Perhaps you may want to reflect on your own comments about reading the responses, but I’ll say it once more if it wasn’t clear enough:
World of Warcraft is an MMO. When you buy the game, you agree that the game and future content is subject to change because, as we all know, the game is being actively worked on alongside us playing it. Maybe that’s too much “reading between the fine print”, but generally, people have the common sense to know this when they buy into this game. I seriously doubt Blizzard lied to you about adding cosmetics. At some point, it likely was a feature they had every intention of capitalizing on, but was eventually scrapped when they realized they probably couldn’t do it to the extent they wanted to.
This happens in virtually any game that is considered live service. Features are announced and get scrapped. Every expansion has had features cut from the final product. In fact, this feature is hardly the most offensive thing to be scrapped from this game in its lifetime. There are whole swathes of content in other expansions that we never saw, I.E. literally a whole new zone in WoD or the instanced gate in Stormwind during Vanilla.
To be honest, I understand being disappointed. Part of me is, too, because there are some races I think could do with more customization, particularly some of the allied races.
But Blizzard didn’t do anything here they haven’t done before. The only reason why everyone seems to think this way is because the forums want to really push some narrative about how anti-consumer Blizzard is. Criticize all you want, but be reasonable about it. Otherwise, you just look silly.
Well that’s were you are wrong. Cosmetics are content too. I also like to farm mogs.
Blizzard is going back on their word, not doing what they said and relocating resources for the creation of new mobile games. But you are going against the people that are mad about this?
Customization was perhaps cut for mobile games and you defend this? What a hero!
Customization is content. We’re not even getting new raid sets. This “content” is a joke. There is no “cut content” because of customization that’s simply silly. And not only because other games can manage too. You’re sounding silly making such nonsensical arguments.
Wrong. WoW is an MMORPG. Nothing else. Yes many other MMORPGS or even MMOS can deliver both.
You are simply looking more ridiculous right now.
That’s your only point I agree with. Nice concern trolling though.
If I were trolling, I wouldn’t have spent the time detailing my argument on why this is not that big of a deal, but I suppose you only feel this way because I don’t share the hivemind opinion on the forums of everything WoW being bad. Next time I’ll remember to word vomit everything everyone else says.
Where did I say content was being cut because of customization? Do you even know what you’re arguing right now?
I’m not going against people being upset. It’s reasonable. I’m going against people blowing it significantly out of proportion, as though Blizzard has somehow insulted the entire playerbase by not focusing on it for future content.
Or maybe it was cut because they wanted to allocate resources elsewhere, like the new covenant armor sets or heritage race armor?
Is this not what I just said?
I don’t know. I don’t think I look as ridiculous as the person who has no clue what they’re saying, because your responses make absolutely no sense.
MMO is just Massive Multiplayer Online. MMORPG has that RPG aspect, the character building, the having a character part.
Customisation
Hey, y’know what’d be nice? Them explaining this!
But, they didn’t, they just said “No customisations” and “What we have seems fine so far”, so the worst expansion becomes even worse. Struth, I lasted through all of Warlords, but this expansion? Forget it
“A feature you sold the expansion on and is noted on various interviews as a focus” is not really equivilent to previous cut content like say, Abyssal Maw, “We just reused a bunch of Vashj’ir assets” the raid that was cut to give more stuff to Firelands. Folks specifically wanted this as a thing
And do note I’m fairly attached to the game dev/hunting scene so I’m very famillier with cut content.
Hyperbolic. BfA was the worst, until Shadowlands came and it was suddenly pretty okay. When the next comes along, I’m sure everyone will think Shadowlands was actually a good time. Pretty much happens verbatim every expansion cycle.
Okay. Do you want a medal?
RPGs can have multiple facets of customization, not just cosmetic, and again:
Wildstar shut down because they catered to the hardcore audience and not casuals, which caused many people to abandon the MMO. They eventually did change course, after seeing the casual player base dwindle, but by then it was too late and NCSoft shut down the studio as well as the game.
Some races (NElves, Tauren, Orcs, Humans) got a ton. Not everyone. People stayed subbed because of this and the implications it’d be a focus going forward (Let’s not forget we didn’t get any new races or classes because of this) and now they’re told they’re getting none.
Let’s make this another thing and say that people are subbed because of dungeons and the promise of new dungeons to run, except they’re told the next patches will have no new dungeons. Should they just… Be happy with the dungeons they have already? I mean, they got new ones, so why should they be upset there’s nothing new coming until next expansion?
We all recognised that Legion and MoP were leaps and bounds above the expansions prior to them. There will not be any posts Shadowlands review that decides it is actually good. It has its systems in place, it has its ideas for what it wants, and what it wants is what people don’t want
I mean we can go the other way. I have played since Vanilla and this is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Folks care about this stuff and, shock and horror, being told “You’re going to get more of a thing” and then them turning around and saying “Actually no you’re not” means… I quit. They’re shoving someone who was practically ride or die for the game away.
So back in Warlords, folks should have just been happy with Highmaul and BRF, and we shouldn’t have complained about the Selfie patch having nothing? Because, hey, we got raids, so who needs more?
Content is content. You could scrap every single mythic dungeon in the game and I wouldn’t bat an eye. Going against the heavily implied stuff in interviews that customisation would continue to remain a priority however? Yeah, nah mate.
Plus, being a long Vanilla player, I remember the last time they said we’d get more customisations and it’d continue being a thing. Which was, we got some hairs during Wrath and then nothing until Warlords.
WoW and BlizZard in general have some of the best art teams in the industry. Hands down.
Why limit what they can do to make WoW better and more vibrant? Let these talented people show their talent and skill by pouring their love of their work unhindered.
The customization that can be potentially unleashed with WoW is unreal. Imagine being able to dye an armor with different color which means more transmog possibilities. Excitement to go back to older content to farm this gear.
Or player housing to find pieces for player furniture.
Even a new profession can come to form which is a wood worker.
Lots of chances to grow WoW in ways beyond the same script since BFA/Legion IMVHO.
No, because dungeons and raids are what keep people playing. They are, effectively speaking, the cycle that this game holds people in with. People want consistent content. If they aren’t getting that, then they should rightfully be upset, and perhaps even quit if the game isn’t providing something new for them to experience.
Cosmetic customization, on the other hand, is not the same unless you spend most of your time in the barber shop, which I have to imagine is a small percentage considering every server I’ve been on has had a dead barber shop.
Apples to oranges. Next.
I can give you Legion because WoD had set a bad precedent, but even so, many people were still dissatisfied with the expansion. I genuinely cannot count how many times I had to listen to people complain about class balance, class identity, and personal loot. Those were just a few things. I remember being ridiculed just for the simple act of posting about how much I liked Legion.
You and I have very different memories of what happened with MoP, because I remember MoP being considered dead on arrival. It wasn’t until we were a year into WoD that people started considering it a decent expansion, and it wasn’t until BfA when people started considering it the best of the modern WoW era.
So you’ve played this game since Vanilla, are acutely aware that Blizzard scraps content all the time (sometimes without any explanation), and this is still upsetting enough for you to quit?
I mean, as a warlock we do have our Very Strong Feelings about the expansion. But overall? My experience was people were engaged with it and what the expansion had
Yes.
I mean, we could go on further from this and point out how its basically the one relevant and interesting thing from this expansion’s seeming dislike of anyone playing casually, which is ironic given Warcraft started as “The casual MMO” as compared to the hardcore ones around at the time. Subsequentially folks who aren’t caught up in the mythic dungeon endless running are going to want to focus on other things, and given the big push customisation got, that’s about the only thing you can focus on.
And what happens if you’re then told the one thing that got the expansion sold to you is now no longer a priority? Well. You get our current situation. Because nothing else in the game is really going to hold your attention.
What new armors are you even talking about? Heck no.
We don’t even get much content.
Most do indeed. But no one can simply cut a main selling point without explanation (at least not without consequences). An explanation is the bare minimum we have to be able to expect from this company.
The rest of your argument isn’t convincing. You don’t care, more resources to mobile games are net. Got it.
Also wrong. MoP is one of the most liked WoW addons and always mentioned as such.
Shadowlands is extremely casual, and definitely more so when compared to BfA’s extreme daily grinds that expected you to log in everyday. I don’t know why people seem to think having a lot of cyclical content to do at the endgame is somehow “hardcore” when most of the content is tied to a weekly reset.
They didn’t, but okay.
Lying would be saying they never said they promised more customization options. What they said was is that they decided not to pursue it any further. That’s not lying. That’s changing direction.
But you can view it however you want if it makes you feel better, I guess.
You’re pulling hairs. Try harder.
Okay, so not only do you have no idea what you’re talking about, but you also have no idea what’s coming in the 9.1 update. At this point, this conversation should be over since your argument clearly speaks for itself.
Happens literally all the time with World of Warcraft. Sorry that you don’t choose to see that, and would rather focus your energy on something completely trivial.
Yes, now, which I also acknowledged and detailed in my argument. MoP was not well-received as an expansion until after the fact. During its lifespan, it was criticized for removing talent trees, feeling less like World of Warcraft, and having over a year long content drought at the end of its cycle.
Your inability to fully read my arguments and nitpick what you want to see is not working out for you that well. If you can’t find the capacity to argue coherently, then I’m not going to find the time to respond to you. Good day.
