No more increased customisation in shadowlands. [Requesting a refund]

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A really long post that says nothing at all.

When folks like Ian Bates (aka Red Shirt Guy) who are watching Blizzard like a hawk watches a mouse for new lore and reveals so they can talk about them, state that Blizzard did a 180 on this, then they did a 180 on this.

You can believe in your own personal interpretation as much as you like to deflect from the seriousness of this issue, I’m not going to debate you on it. They promised more, they 180d on that decision, and people who were looking forward to more customization throughout this expansion deserve to know why.

End of story and end of debate.

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I expected new customizations.

I was disappointed.

It was my fault for expecting new customizations.

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I mean, ya you’re kind of right. It is the end of the debate. You’re wrong, and you’re digging in on your wrongness, so there’s nothing more to debate.

You misinterpreted what was said, got upset because of your own misinterpretation of the facts, and now you’re taking that hurt you’re feeling out on others. But in the end, it’s your fault. You chose to interpret things that way. And your pain is your own doing. So nobody owes you anything for it.

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It’s not your fault for expecting more when Blizzard said in many post-Blizzcon interviews back in 2019 and into 2020 that you would be getting more, post-launch.

It’s a damn shame. It’s not something I’m going to quit over, but it’s definitely hit a sore spot, because I play several allied races that need to get some customization options expanded on, which was another thing that was promised and apparently won’t be delivered.

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All they ever said is we’d get more post-launch, they didn’t directly said it’d be during Shadowlands.

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I agree completely.

The customization we got was already pathetic. It isn’t remotely up to snuff with pretty much any modern MMO out there. Height? No. More posture options? No. Body hair, body textures, body shaping, face textures, face shapes, tons of new hair colors and eye colors? Not really. The eye colors were the most drastic and most races still got cheated there too. Scars and tattoos for everyone, at least? In your dreams.

So it was already sad from the start, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt that anyone other than just orcs would get something decent. Now they canceled it entirely.

Shadowlands is nothing but mobile game grinds (hello, Queen’s Conservatory), waiting periods, and - oh yeah, more grinds, for crap like anima, so that we can get some lame recolored armor sets that don’t even look that good to begin with and can’t hold a candle to how cool the sets in Legion or even Classic were.

Blizzard is steadily giving us less content. No new races, no new classes, no new race/class combinations, no new class armor tiers, no new customization options even as simple as new skin/hair/eye colors and new or even reused hair styles - so what are we even getting at this point?

New grinds.

And yet Blizzard fanboys will bust in here and tell us we should be happy with what we get, because the poor multi-billion dollar company that makes more money literally every week than you will ever see in your life is just so pitiful and we should be glad they deign to give us paying customers content at all. We are paying the same prices as we were back in Legion, but we are getting less than half the content from almost all previous expansions or even some content patches.

Oh yeah, and Classic will get tons of new (but not actually new) stuff. Retail is a joke.

WoW is at an all-time low and I’m trying to find another game to go to. Trouble is, Blizzard owns the market and they know it, so they’re perfectly comfortable cheating everyone, telling us we should be happy about it, laughing, and then doing it all over and over again - and knowing that players will always come back and put up with it, because they own the MMO market.

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It is unfortunate that they weren’t clearer in what they said, leaving it open to be misinterpreted by people who like to get their hopes up and will then get angry when their self-inflicted inflated hopes do not come to fruition.

But the reality is that they often don’t KNOW what their development cycle is going to be like, since so many things can happen in unexpected ways, which can lead to changes.

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Okay, to be fair, Blizzard has made it clear that we’re never going to get things like sliders. That’s not going to happen. No height changing, no individual body shaping. Even in post-Blizzcon interviews where they made these promises about future customization, there were definitely things they ruled out, and height sliders and body shaping were two of those things.

That being said, the customization we got in 9.0 was very significant. Sure, Forsaken and Darkspear trolls didn’t get posture options, but we got plenty of extra customizations in their place. For Forsaken the most significant one was being able to hide bones, something that non-chinese WoW players have been asking Blizzard to do for years and we finally got them (I say non-chinese because in China, Forsaken don’t have bones showing).

Other customization options that were added vastly expanded the amount of looks we could have with our characters, far beyond what was initially available and that’s no small thing. So credit where credit is due for that.

Yeah no, it’s not.

We literally just came off an expansion which gave us 8 new races to play as. New classes are not always necessary and they can be a bit of a gamble because of balancing issues, and as for tier sets, class tier sets are returning in Shadowlands at some point in Shadowlands, just not in 9.1

Of course, I’m sure some of the folks in this thread will say that ‘Blizzard never promised tier sets in Shadowlands’ because there’s no exact patch that they’ll return in, but I’m pretty much ignoring those people at this point.

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Tbph nothing can ever be ruled out. There used to be a wall of no about classic servers. They constantly CONSTANTLY said that it was “impossible”. I think the lesson to learn from all of this is you cannot trust blizzard whether it’s about things they can or cannot do.

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There is a big difference between creating classic servers and adjusting every playable model in the game to have adjustable geometry within their own engine. Most games that have sliders have them from the get-go, they don’t get added after the fact.

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Probably equal amount of effort ngl.

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There’s little I find funnier than when random people on the wow forums try to make assumptions about how much work things take in the wow engine as if they know what they’re talking about.

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Considering the claim that they had none of the data of classic they had to do it alot to reclaim it. Versus model scaling which is already in the game and used on npcs all the time? Height and Size sliders been in the game since classic. Also WoWhead and individuals have been able to put a lot of work into changing and manipulating models.

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So all that talk about asian and black faces was just bs to get money Ion?

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you must not have been there during the ghostcrawler era then…oh boy was he ever mocked for it. oftentimes being deemed not fit for the job because of it. especially when people made threads about unpopular changes to wow under his tenure.

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Ah the classic ‘well there’s something vaguely similar in the game so surely it must be easy’ cry of the armchair game dev.

There’s hope for you - you just need to realize you know nothing about this subject… and then you, too, can stop pretending you know what you’re talking about and admit you’re actually completely ignorant like the rest of us.

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If the fact that the tech is already in the game isn’t enough to do it I don’t know what to tell you. All I can tell you is nothing is impossible when it comes to dev-work. It’s about desire and resources not possibility.

Stop excusing the lies coming out of blizzard. It’s a bad look. If players can do it for free blizzard can do it and make money off of it.

You can criticize me for being an “armchair dev” but hey I have evidence of independents pulling it off. You have nothing but blizzard claim. Blizzard claims have little value because they have a history of lying.

Imagine if blizzard was actually transparency.

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If Blizzard ‘was actually transparency’, then we wouldn’t be able to watch Blizzcon because they wouldn’t show up on camera.

But more seriously… the reality is that doing anything out of game(like,say, a custom model viewer/editor) is vastly different from doing it in-game. And even someone with the tiniest bit of coding experience that I have can recognize that they are not at all equal. Even if ‘the tech is in game to do it’ - that doesn’t mean the tech is in game to MAKE IT WORK IN ALL SITUATIONS. It’s easy to stretch a model, it’s not easy to make that stretched model work in the real game.

And that in any complex game the number of things that interact with your character’s geometry is VAST and makes any change to that geometry come with a billion complications.

But hey, it worked in a model editor so it must be easy.

Man it must be frustrating for developers to deal with people who think they know how games work and criticize every freaking thing they do based off of the absolute pinnacle of ignorance. It’s a miracle anyone wants their job at all.

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Wow purposefully misunderstanding my statement due to a typo. Gotcha. I’m done.

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Well said.

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